Do You Compare Your Achievements To NTs?

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05 Oct 2007, 11:52 pm

Do you compare how well you have achieved in life to former schoolmates who were NTs? Do you feel dissapointed or resentful if your achievements are not at the norm like everyone else?



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06 Oct 2007, 12:09 am

YES! I expected to find my life to be hard but not damn near impossible. How many scripts to I have to write and memorize in order to get a chance to do a job that doesn't take that many brain cells to begin with.

I told my mom the other day that you should just have to take an IQ test for any job you want. That way if your smart enough to do the job it is yours and none of this fuss about crap that doesn't matter like if I look normal and know how to smile and stare at my interviewer apporiately. I wrote the book on bad first impressions and want to growl everytime I hear people claim that first impressions are the most accurate reading of an indivuadual. They are so wrong. First impressions are for the apes. The only thing a first impression will tell you is if the person is a conformist or not.

That is what drives my jealousy. I am fish out of water. Normal people just don't get it and hence they think they are better than me because they know all the rules and what matters to them doesn't matter to me and so forth.

What really broke my self-esteem as a child was that I wasn't graded on my academic performance I was graded on my social skills or lack there of. I didn't particapte in anything in grad school and was actually shocked when high school teachers actually thought I wasn't an idiot. You wear a label long enough and it becomes a part of you.

So yes I admit I have complex about my intelligence as a human being and at times I feel that my scores have to be better than the NTS (unless genius level) I have encountered because I already know i am "socially ret*d".



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06 Oct 2007, 12:18 am

Othila wrote:

What really broke my self-esteem as a child was that I wasn't graded on my academic performance I was graded on my social skills or lack there of. I didn't particapte in anything in grad school and was actually shocked when high school teachers actually thought I wasn't an idiot. You wear a label long enough and it becomes a part of you.

So yes I admit I have complex about my intelligence as a human being and at times I feel that my scores have to be better than the NTS (unless genius level) I have encountered because I already know i am "socially ret*d".


I feel exactly the same way!


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06 Oct 2007, 12:20 am

Othila wrote:
YES! I expected to find my life to be hard but not damn near impossible. How many scripts to I have to write and memorize in order to get a chance to do a job that doesn't take that many brain cells to begin with.

I told my mom the other day that you should just have to take an IQ test for any job you want. That way if your smart enough to do the job it is yours and none of this fuss about crap that doesn't matter like if I look normal and know how to smile and stare at my interviewer apporiately. I wrote the book on bad first impressions and want to growl everytime I hear people claim that first impressions are the most accurate reading of an indivuadual. They are so wrong. First impressions are for the apes. The only thing a first impression will tell you is if the person is a conformist or not.

That is what drives my jealousy. I am fish out of water. Normal people just don't get it and hence they think they are better than me because they know all the rules and what matters to them doesn't matter to me and so forth.

What really broke my self-esteem as a child was that I wasn't graded on my academic performance I was graded on my social skills or lack there of. I didn't particapte in anything in grad school and was actually shocked when high school teachers actually thought I wasn't an idiot. You wear a label long enough and it becomes a part of you.

So yes I admit I have complex about my intelligence as a human being and at times I feel that my scores have to be better than the NTS (unless genius level) I have encountered because I already know i am "socially ret*d".


Seconded.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:22 am

Othila wrote:
YES! I expected to find my life to be hard but not damn near impossible. How many scripts to I have to write and memorize in order to get a chance to do a job that doesn't take that many brain cells to begin with.

I told my mom the other day that you should just have to take an IQ test for any job you want. That way if your smart enough to do the job it is yours and none of this fuss about crap that doesn't matter like if I look normal and know how to smile and stare at my interviewer apporiately. I wrote the book on bad first impressions and want to growl everytime I hear people claim that first impressions are the most accurate reading of an indivuadual. They are so wrong. First impressions are for the apes. The only thing a first impression will tell you is if the person is a conformist or not.

That is what drives my jealousy. I am fish out of water. Normal people just don't get it and hence they think they are better than me because they know all the rules and what matters to them doesn't matter to me and so forth.

What really broke my self-esteem as a child was that I wasn't graded on my academic performance I was graded on my social skills or lack there of. I didn't particapte in anything in grad school and was actually shocked when high school teachers actually thought I wasn't an idiot. You wear a label long enough and it becomes a part of you.

So yes I admit I have complex about my intelligence as a human being and at times I feel that my scores have to be better than the NTS (unless genius level) I have encountered because I already know i am "socially ret*d".



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06 Oct 2007, 1:28 am

I agree.



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06 Oct 2007, 1:32 am

Well, I guess that, just because I am here, you know that I haven't been to reunions,etc... So I can't say where my "peers" are. Based on society as a whole, etc.... I don't think their prospects look too good.

I guess I am luckier than you guys in this respect, although it is easier to get a job as a consultant because they can determine how well you have done, get rid of you if they don't like you, and you may be sold as a package.

So I have only had 4 "JOBS"

boxboy(When I was a kid) <<<Minimum wage, and they just wanted work
PC Board inspector/finisher(When I was in highshool)<<<A bit over minimum wage, and non social.
computer industry(2 times)(After highschool)<<<Quite a bit over minimum wage, but technical.

I HATE my "peers" with the "better social skills" NOT because of jealousy or because they make more than I do. I HATE the managers that seem to only slow things down, take credit for my work, and get paid twice what I do. I HATE the salespeople that try to gyp people, etc.....

As for first impressions, I'm sure people underestimate me, etc... I have actually had some people not hire me, and I feel sorry for THEM! They will go off, have MORE stress, and spend more money, and possibly never get the work done!

BTW I give people a kind of IQ test for my company!(It is really SIMPLE! It tests only the most basic of logic and communication, and memory. Yet, surprisingly, FEW get even 70% on it) I can happily say that I don't go by first appearances. Heck, after hearing about some of you, I will even reserve judgement in person.

As for interviews I have had, I know some of what might be asked, and plan ahead, but I don't write it down, etc.... STILL, on my last contract job, I LOST the position as the "team lead". I am the HEAD guy! The leading TECHNICAL guy! I am now the ONLY one working on this project! They laugh at me because I do things before they have ever been assigned! They want me to wait. Just yesterday, someone asked me to fix a problem. I said ****I**** found it monday! ****I**** brought it up tuesday! ****I**** fixed it tuesday! *****I***** had it moved on wednesday! And THEY log the bug on wednesday, after it is fixed, etc....! 8O :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: INCREDIBLE! They never even saw the data. IMAGINE! Perhaps 6 people paid to take a letter, forge THEIR name on it, and "return to sender".

Yet I can't even get the mere title because I have no "people skills". Instead, they have 4-6 people ask me the SAME questions and asking for a time estimate(Which often means that the later people are asking about a problem that exists only because the earlier people distracted me from finishing!), because they are going to the SAME meeting, and want to report on the SAME THING!

So I really have to wonder what good people skills are at work? WHY? So you can tell some jerk to get lost? So the jerks can keep their jobs even though they are really WASTING money? WHO KNOWS.

NOPE! I missed social skills mainly for friends, and getting a nice wife. Otherwise, GOOD RIDDANCE!



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06 Oct 2007, 1:50 am

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Do you compare how well you have achieved in life to former schoolmates who were NTs? Do you feel disappointed or resentful if your achievements are not at the norm like everyone else?

i did compare my achievements with former schoolmates. i was the best in class because i wanted to be better than them (although it wasn't that difficult). after the university they've got hired in commercial companies and i went abroad to do PhD. financially i do well, but not as well as they do. i've gained a lot of experience from living abroad, though. i am not in position to compare my achievements with them anymore. it's not possible to say what's better. we all have what we wanted.



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06 Oct 2007, 2:26 am

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Do you compare how well you have achieved in life to former schoolmates who were NTs? Do you feel dissapointed or resentful if your achievements are not at the norm like everyone else?

Comparing myself to others is just stupid(and sets yourself up for failure, as you will never measure uo). I am glad to be me, and that is all that matters.



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06 Oct 2007, 7:45 am

No i don't compare my achievements wid NTs i might have not done as well as dem but at da end of da day i have succeeded in life such as memorsing road maps n train timetables n NTs now do take me serious as dey wish dey had dat ability.



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06 Oct 2007, 7:59 am

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Do you compare how well you have achieved in life to former schoolmates who were NTs? Do you feel dissapointed or resentful if your achievements are not at the norm like everyone else?


All the time!! !

Especially the social aspects of everything.
For example...my mother always congradulates me on making some online friends (literally). But then I look around places and everyone seems to have friends in real life. People are always talking about their social lives and making no big deal about it. And I make one online friend and my mother congradulates me :?

I always feel disappointed about my achievements.
So what...I can memorise just about every number plate that I see when I am walking somewhere. That has no use. Other people have useful achievements such as getting a degree or having a husband. They are useful.


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06 Oct 2007, 8:18 am

To answer the original poster's question, yes I do measure myself among NTs, because NTs are the only people I know outside of this place, with one exception, my dad. I think, "Well, here's where they are, here's where I should be." Lately I've been catching myself do that and I kind of grab a hold of myself and kind of say to myself "You're not them!" Then I relax a little.

Othila wrote:
I told my mom the other day that you should just have to take an IQ test for any job you want. That way if your smart enough to do the job it is yours and none of this fuss about crap that doesn't matter like if I look normal and know how to smile and stare at my interviewer apporiately.


I agree with you. I've read from The Bell Curve (a book about cognitive ability and its role in social stratification), that the single greatest predictor of a new employee's probability of being productive is the IQ test. But employees are not allowed to administer IQ tests any more. That ended in 1971 because the Supreme Court decided that IQ tests discriminates too much against minorities. Minorities perform very poorly in IQ tests, so administering them to would-be employees for screening is against some civil right's clause, although it would save employers a lot of time and money trying to find employees who would be good at their jobs.
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06 Oct 2007, 10:30 am

I am fairly intelligent and have a job I perform well, but I am probably not as successful in a traditional sense as NTs of equal intelligence. My personality is not very fiery or outgoing and that could be holding back my advancement. I will stick with it, though.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:07 pm

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Do you compare how well you have achieved in life to former schoolmates who were NTs? Do you feel dissapointed or resentful if your achievements are not at the norm like everyone else?


Pretty much.



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06 Oct 2007, 12:52 pm

When I do this, it only makes me panic and stops me from functioning well.

I'm trying to stop that altogether... this won't be easy and sometimes I'll feel tempted to compare myself to NT's again and again...
I'm on a good run... and I know atm that I feel I'm doing better than quite a few able Neurotypes out there... I know I may have knowledge that I feel I may be currently doing a bit better, but I will never go out solely to compare myself atm...

The 'bold, strong underdog' approach is helping me... I feel strong and courageous.


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06 Oct 2007, 1:55 pm

I think I'm too competitive sometimes. My school counselor told me I'm already ahead of the education standards (although I think that's just too low in this country!), but whenever I hear other students receive compliments from teachers or do even slightly better than me I withdraw into a deeply depressed and dysfunctional state. /: