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17 Oct 2007, 1:10 pm

OMG I KNEW IT!! ! (And Kristameth: That is me <--- Im hacking the matrix, and eating chinese food)



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17 Oct 2007, 2:16 pm

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I hate mysogynists!

We are all human - some of of us kinder and more compassionate than others. Sounds to me like women have hurt your feelings more often than men. What we don't understand is frightening and can prove hurtful as well.

But a blanket statement regarding the hate of a specific gender is no different than hating a specific racial group. It is ignorant and fear based - and it really needs to stop.

You need to take responsibility for your own sh@#@. Accept that you are limited in understanding certain women - where they are coming from, what they want - the motivating factors. And then stay away from the hurtful ones - no different than staying away from ill intentioned men.

If you feel too confused or afraid - simply walk away.


I'm sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was being stereotypical. And though I may not meet your PC standards, I'm still going to tell you that I think it's dumb to act like stereotypes aren't truthful at all. More black people wear FUBU than white people. More women are overly emotional than men. Insert many other well known stereotypes about race, gender, specific music genre listening labels and stereotypes here.

I think it would be very fair to say that all my life, women have "hurt my feelings". Maybe that's because women tend to use feelings as tools more than men?

Do you think I'm saying men don't do that? Or all women do that? I thought I tried to get that point across in my original post.

The fact remains that I refuse to dance around my words for people for whatever stupid reason. It sounds to me like you've had your feelings hurt by someone who was overly politically incorrect with you at once. The fear of political incorrectness is ignorant and fear based, and it needs to stop.

Also, I am not a women hater. I am a people hater. This just happens to be one small aspect of my dislike for people. My next post will be about football watching, boob grabbing, caveman grunting, lazy slob men. TY.



There is nothing PC about me. I am a woman - I love being a woman and I love women - I'm not queer or bi. I simply believe that too many of us are taught that it's okay to hate women.
Just because I'm not a racist doesn't mean that I'm worried about what people think - on the contrary - I have my opinions and my beliefs and it sounds to me like you've got more issues than Ausperger's.
Perhaps it's that you haven't had many experiences with a multitude of people from different cultures and so your ignorance and lack of understanding is what makes you hateful - I believe Hitler had a problem with that too - didn't he also hate people?


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:lol: Okay - you win! Hate away! but remember - just because we share different views - it does not make me PC - Hence the Hitler remark. I think the Dalai Lama is full of %^&((*, too - so I'm sure lots of people will disagree - but - like I said before - I speak my mind - and I also listen and read.

I have read every statement in this forum and share in the understanding that certain behaviors that many women exhibit are cruel. And I too cannot read those signals - therefore - when I am cornered by one or more of them - in a social situation - I space out - look around - tune them out and rudely walk away. Or I interrupt them with a joke and say, I can't be serious right now, let's have have fun - ok? If they're not up for it - I don't hang out with them.

The hate word and statement is a bit strong and I believe misplaced onto WOMEN - when in fact it's certain behaviors of certain women - that are undesirable and deceitful - I've also noticed that certain men - primarily queer feminine men - share this "female" trait.

So I ask myself - where do these traits come from? Why is there a certain ideology that defines what is female and what is male? Are they man made, or are they a natural expression of the gender? Nature vs. Nurture.



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17 Oct 2007, 2:18 pm

Hey. Godwin's Law.



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17 Oct 2007, 2:29 pm

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Hey. Godwin's Law.


I totally had to Wikipedia that.


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17 Oct 2007, 2:35 pm

In October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say "Godwin's Law" and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."



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17 Oct 2007, 2:59 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
In October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say "Godwin's Law" and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."



Godwin's Law as defined by Wikipedia:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons.

The rule does not make any statement as to whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[3] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law as an experiment in memetics.[2]



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17 Oct 2007, 3:25 pm

Depends on the woman - everyone is different so I can't say it is gender dominant or specific, imho.



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17 Oct 2007, 4:23 pm

ariflower wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
In October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say "Godwin's Law" and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."



Godwin's Law as defined by Wikipedia:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons.

The rule does not make any statement as to whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[3] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law as an experiment in memetics.[2]


Unfortunately. people often seem to believe that citing Godwins Law somehow invalidates any statement made that involves such references, and thus they can avoid making any kind of reasoned response.

Its possible that Godwin didnt quite think it through. The whole war thing is so well known, so ingrained in all of our cultures as a true global event that its use is inevitable. Its an easy example, one that people can understand without intrinsic historical knowledge, unlike references to the Khmer Rouge, Aremenian genocide, the Boer war etc. Either he didnt think it through, or hes pulling a Sun Tzu ... (the famous chinese strategist who appears to have merely written down what every other general already knew, some of it blindingly obvious, and thus become instantly renowned. That or a Leonardo, cited as a genius for inventing a helicopter and a tank that didnt work.. ffs.. I invent things that dont work all the time. OK, so the 2nd example is facetious, but you see my point.)


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18 Oct 2007, 4:22 am

km I was just about to agree with both you and geek, that I find most women shallow backstabbing and materialistic, but I can't abide the macho "I'm bigger and louder and uglier therefore it's my way and you can sod off" males that I sometimes run into, either.

Fortunatly I am married to an intelligent, friendly man who can converse on a wide range of subjects, but chooses to discuss football with his mates instead of me.


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Also, I am not a women hater. I am a people hater. This just happens to be one small aspect of my dislike for people. My next post will be about football watching, boob grabbing, caveman grunting, lazy slob men. TY.


I think you cleared up that point quite well!



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18 Oct 2007, 6:10 am

Macbeth wrote:
ariflower wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
In October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say "Godwin's Law" and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."



Godwin's Law as defined by Wikipedia:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons.

The rule does not make any statement as to whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[3] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[4] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin's law as an experiment in memetics.[2]


Unfortunately. people often seem to believe that citing Godwins Law somehow invalidates any statement made that involves such references, and thus they can avoid making any kind of reasoned response.

Its possible that Godwin didnt quite think it through. The whole war thing is so well known, so ingrained in all of our cultures as a true global event that its use is inevitable. Its an easy example, one that people can understand without intrinsic historical knowledge, unlike references to the Khmer Rouge, Aremenian genocide, the Boer war etc. Either he didnt think it through, or hes pulling a Sun Tzu ... (the famous chinese strategist who appears to have merely written down what every other general already knew, some of it blindingly obvious, and thus become instantly renowned. That or a Leonardo, cited as a genius for inventing a helicopter and a tank that didnt work.. ffs.. I invent things that dont work all the time. OK, so the 2nd example is facetious, but you see my point.)


That IS interesting, if you think about it. I don't think any of Leonardos inventions truly did work. They all had some flaw. Even a tank that had incorrect gearing. Some say that the gearing was INTENTIONAL in case he was copied. Still, if you were very smart, you would tamper with something less obvious and harder to fix.

OH, and his perpetual motion machine was OBVIOUS! I came up with that MYSELF as a kid, and quickly discounted it due to its not being symmetrical. I LATER came up with ANOTHER, and eventually found out IT was impractical, HEY, I was only about 7 at the time. But IT is used even TODAY in the same fashion for electric cars.(It was impractical because of energy loss, but it can replace SOME of the loss.) Other cars use an engine, so they cheat. :lol: I don't know if I could have gotten away with patenting it though. Then again, that company going against blackberry had a more general and obvious patent. I don't know why, but an engineer told me, when I was 17, that HE had the SAME idea as my idea for perpetual motion! HE discounted it as well.

As for Godwins law, War, Inflation, Law, Religion, eventually ends up in an area with an obvious comparison. Even with sex, when talking about outcome or tolerance, many will see a comparison. Such a conclusion is OBVIOUS if you have a long verbal or written discussion. The only thing worthy of note with "godwins law", is that he publicly made the observation, and it was noted.



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18 Oct 2007, 7:08 am

I love this board. Not many other places on the net could someone come into a thread, say something nasty & then have the thread somehow turn into an intellectual discussion. It's so much better then tossing F bombs.



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18 Oct 2007, 9:56 am

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I love this board. Not many other places on the net could someone come into a thread, say something nasty & then have the thread somehow turn into an intellectual discussion. It's so much better then tossing F bombs.


Yeah it's neat :)

I've tried to come up with essentially perpetual motion machines too. (or ones that harness motion that's going on around us anyway). Cool to hear that others have thought about that too.



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18 Oct 2007, 2:46 pm

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I don't hate other women so much as I am frightened/overwhealmed by them.


Right on! I agree. I get overwhelmed by extremely emotional females. They are too unpredictable for me. Of course, I get overwhelmed by males too, for different reasons.


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18 Oct 2007, 2:51 pm

I don't tend to understand other women.

What confuses me the most is how a lot of women say one thing yet mean another. Why not say what you mean?


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18 Oct 2007, 2:55 pm

Yeah. Thats all true. But it was obvious she was just reaching for a hitler reference there.
Oh you hate blah
Hitler hated blah
You == Hitler.

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18 Oct 2007, 3:50 pm

I really appreciate everyones replies, and the beautifully intellectual conversation that this has grown into...

This place rocks.


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