Since When Do Vaccines have MERCURY in Them?!

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Lies. Thanks to the person who sent me this link - just one patient suffering from complications post-op - http://www.medhelp.org/forums/gastro/me ... 36116.html - nothing you have to say to me anymore holds any weight. And the worst part is you're STILL going to believe your own BS.

We aren't liars we just have a different point of view! Ethylmercury leaves the body, it's a fact. It doesn't build up and stay in the brain, it's excreted. It DOES NOT bioaccumulate. Elemental mercury is toxic because it bioaccumulates.

And to tell the truth I'd rather have a kid with AS than one dead from whooping couph or smallpox! Sure it'd be harder than having an NT baby but it's better than the alternative. We need vaccines, they keep us healthy by strengthening our immune system to viruses. Unless you have a better idea, in which case please share. How, without vaccines, can I keep my baby from getting a fatal virus?

The Vaccine-Autism Connection – Part I (Thimerosal)
BERNARD RIMLAND, Ph.D., Director
April, 2004

Partial list of studies linking thimerosal to Autism

The Centers for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatrics have issued a statement asserting that “the available scientific evidence has not shown thimerosal-containing vaccines to be harmful.” Their statement is false. Following are some of the scientific studies that demonstrate thimerosal, a mercury-containing substance that is used as a preservative, to be harmful and to be a highly probably causal factor in autism. Note that these studies are consistently ignored in the medical establishment’s publications claiming that there is no evidence for vaccine-caused autism.

Bernard S, Enayati A, Redwood L, Roger H, Binstock T. Autism: a novel form of mercury poisoning. Med. Hypotheses. 2001 Apr;56(4):462-71. PMID: 11339848

Geier DA, Geier MR. An assessment of the impact of thimerosal on childhood neurodevelopmental disorders. Pediatr Rehabil. 2003 Apr-Jun;6(2):97-102. PMID: 14534046

Geier MR, Geier DA. Neurodevelopmental disorders after thimerosal-containing vaccines: a brief communication. Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2003 Jun;228(6):660-4. PMID: 12773696

Geier & Geier. Parents' worries about thimerosal in vaccines are well founded! http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 112/6/1394

David Baskin, M.D. et al. Thimerosal induces DNA breaks, caspase-3 activation, membrane damage, and cell death in cultured human neurons and fibroblasts. Toxicol Sci. 2003 Aug;74(2):361-8. Epub 2003 May 28. PMID: 12773768

Mady Hornig, M.D Etiologic factors and pathogenesis of autism: evidence from clinical studies and animal models. IOM presentation, Feb 9 2004 Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19108

Richard C. Deth, Ph.D. Effects of Mercury on Methionine Synthase: Implications for Disordered Methylation in Autism DAN! 2003 Philadelphia - paper

Richard C. Deth, Ph.D. A Link Between Thimerosal and the Brain: Can Vaccines Affect Central Nervous System Function? Molecular Psychiatry 2004, Volume 9.

Vojdani A, Pangborn JB et al. Infections, toxic chemicals and dietary peptides binding to lymphocyte receptors and tissue enzymes are major instigators of autoimmunity in autism. Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2003 Sep-Dec;16(3):189-99. PMID: 14611720

Jeff Bradstreet, M.D. A Case-control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Disorders and Measles Virus Genomic RNA in Cerebrospinal Fluid in Children with Regressive Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004
Slides: http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/4705/17047/18065.aspx

Valsamakis A et al. style='mso-bidi-font-style:italic'>Altered virulence of vaccine strains of measles virus after prolonged style='mso-bidi-font-style: italic'>replication in human tissue. J Virol. 1999 73(10): 8791-7. PMID 10482633 http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/73/10/8791.pdf

The CDC's original findings before the CDC began to manipulate the data, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act: High risk values for thimerosal injections and a range of neurologic problems, including ADHD, tics, language problems, and autism. http://factsformedia.com/factsformedia/ ... lstudy.pdf

Excerpts from CDC’s in-house conference: Thimerosal sequelae http://www.nationalautismassociation.or ... 20bold.pdf

Congressman, Dr. Weldon's letter to the CDC director

Geier MR, Geier DA. Autism and thimerosal-containing vaccines: analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Slides: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=18392
Audio: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19120

David Baskin, M.D. Relation of Neurotoxic Effects of Thimerosal to Autism. IOM presentation, Feb 9, 2004.
Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19124

© 2007 Autism Research Institute | Notices | DAN! Webcasts

rate of mortality of appendicits with no surgery: 100%
rate of mortality of appendicitis with surgery: a lot less than a 100%

I know which one I'd rather choose. yes, there are sometimes complications - there is no such thing as risk-free surgery. But most pacients recover fully if they get the surgery, especially if it's in the early stages (before it becomes peritonitis, for example). It is analogous to what I posted about the snmallpox vaccine - when smallpox was common, the vaccine, while dangerous, was still less dangerous than smallpox, taking it was less risky than not taking it, though not risk-free.

What do you mean 'anymore' when you never listened to begin with? You treated every single person who disagreed with you with malice and hatred. It didn't matter how many facts we posted, or how many questions we asked, you're convinced you're right and we're wrong. If you didn't have an arguement then you just ignore the post altogether!

May I ask, what would you do to treat appendicitis? Or cancer?

Listen carefully jjstar, you have to stop calling me and other people names if you want any discussion at all. I've been kind and respectful with you but if you want really want to sling mud, you can have it.

The first thing you have to do before you can partake in any discussion again is apologize for each and every insult you've made or expect all reactions from me towards you to be negative, whatever your future - and past - posts may contain.

PCBOLL wrote - "The appendix is not 'vital." among other out-dated fallacies - new studies at Duke University, published just a few days ago are proving that not only is the appendix necessary it's VITAL to the overall health of the human organism. So maybe you just really need to re-examine everything you've been taught PCBOLL because frankly you're sinking fast.


Study: Appendix has utility
By: Eddie Zhang
Issue date: 10/17/07 Section: News

For generations, children have been taught that the appendix is useless-at most, causing a trip to the emergency room and an impressive scar.

But that may not be correct, according to a team of surgeons and immunologists at the Duke University Medical Center who stumbled upon the function of the appendix while researching the immune system and bacteria in the gut.

In a study published online in the Journal of Theoretical Biology last week, researchers proposed that the appendix serves as a "safe house" for commensal bacteria-"good bacteria" that aid in food digestion and prevents disease.

The gut is normally populated with these commensal bacteria, but in the case of diseases such as cholera or amoebic dysentery, the large intestine is purged of these helpful microorganisms, said study co-author Bill Parker, an assistant professor of experimental surgery at DUMC.

"The idea is that your flora gets contaminated and your body tries to flush it out," he said.

As a result, the appendix cultivates and repopulates the gut with these commensal bacteria, essentially restarting the digestive system.

But this does not happen often in industrialized countries, Parker added.

"Modern medical care and sanitation practices have pretty much rendered the function of the appendix obsolete," he said.

In less developed nations, where the appendix may still serve a purpose, the rate of appendicitis-a life-threatening condition in which the appendix becomes inflamed and must be surgically removed-is also much lower than that of the United States, Parker said.

According to statistics compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2005-the most recent year for which statistics were available-321,000 Americans were hospitalized with appendicitis. Researchers attributed this high incidence to a lack of fiber in the Western diet, as well as the so-called "hygiene hypothesis," Parker said.

"We are so clean that our immune system never gets challenged by the things that it is adapted to be challenged with," he said. "It begins to overreact with things that it shouldn't overreact with, causing allergies, autoimmune diseases and of course appendicitis."

continued - http://www.dukechronicle.com/news/2007/ ... age2.shtml

So, jjstar has now AGAIN switched to citing the literature. Of course, if we cite anything saying something that she disagrees with, she will switch again to not believing the literature. If it agrees with her position, then it's undisputably true, if not, then it is a lie and part of a conspiracy theory.

now, using jjstar's definition of cure (To heal, to make well, to restore to good health),what bit of that definition does appendectomy, in the absence of complications, not meet? The pacient is restored to good health, it doesn't just treat the symptoms of apendicitis, it ends the appendicitis altogether. Or take syphillis - penicillin doesn't just treat the symptoms, it ends the infection.
Oh by be way the EPA's level of safe mercury is for ELEMENTAL mercury, not for mercury compounds, each of which will have its own separate, different safety levels. which bit of 'elemental mercury has different properties from ethyl mercury' does jjstar not understand? As in 'different chemicals have different properties'?

Hell looks like it's freezing over so who knows?

jjstar, do you have a dictionary? you might want to look up 'vital' and 'useful.' You will find that they are not the same. And to quote your own post:



Now, is it just me, or is 'pretty much obsolete' not the same as 'vital'? Now, I would rather have the not-entirely-useless-but-rather obsolete-appendix taken out than die of appendicits, were I to get it.
It just goes to show how careful jjstar is about sources - she doesn't eve read what she copies and pastes.

The Vaccine-Autism Connection - the hard evidence.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJrkPJXAh0[/youtube]


The Vaccine-Autism Connection - All Parts on YouTube

Oh wow - a YouTube video. A really convincing peer-reviewed platform to present your scientific argument on!

I highly doubt you read the article, because if you did and had the minimal reading comprehension you would have found the answers to your own questions! The function of the appendix is VITAL according to the findings of Duke researchers. It's really not so hard to find where this is stated. So instead of looking to fight with someone, use some of that superfluous energy in actually getting an education. Let me know when you read the article in its entirety. Then you can look for other data supporting these findings on the web, should you wish, then you can formulate an opinion. But right now? You don't stand a chance with what ya got.

That's exactly right. YouTube being used as a vehicle to present the case in audio and video. The technology exists precisely for this reason - to educate the masses.

Who presumably can't be expected to understand fancy scientific terms like "proof".

ETA: Please direct us to any of Doctor Buttar's papers that have been published in peer-reviewed science publications

Now, I'm quoting the following from the actual paper:



In other words, it is not VITAL, as in 'Necessary to the continuation of life; life-sustaining: a vital organ; vital nutrients. ' (American Heritage Dictionary). I just love it when conspiracy theorists are condemned by their own sources.