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22 Mar 2010, 8:39 am

I blogged about this today and was wondering if anyone else is lost when it comes to the importence of the handshake? Furthermore, does the feeling of someone else's hand create a high anxiety level right before and during this crazy ritual?


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22 Mar 2010, 8:50 am

I've never really understood nor cared for the ritual, though I don't really have a problem with it.

People say it's due to weaponry and such... That's nice, but there's no reason to do it anymore. I've also heard something about using the left hand for wiping, but I use the right hand so that never really got me either...



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22 Mar 2010, 9:08 am

I don't mind doing handshakes, and if it seems to be what the other person wants then I can feel quite good that I've scored a social "brownie point." On a good day I can even look them in the eye, smile, and control my grip so that it's firm rather than weak or bone-crushing. I started to feel easier about handshaking when I got rid of my warts - I always used to feel that I might spread the virus to them, though I gather it's a very low risk.

But I don't particularly approve of handshakes. I tend to feel that my relations with other people should be either very warm and chummy, or nothing, depending on who it is I'm dealing with. If it's the former, then I prefer to embrace them (though I rarely do because I haven't had much practice recently and tend to be rather clumsy with it). I don't like these "business relationships" which usually require handshakes - I can see how it makes the world go round, but if I like somebody then I want that relationship to grow unfettered by silly formalities, while if I dislike them, I just don't want to deal with them at all. Very black-and-white, I know, but these limited formal relationships just feel cold hearted somehow.



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22 Mar 2010, 9:26 am

Even worse is the HUG, which is a custom engaged in with the crowd I find myself with most of the time.

I utterly HATED it at first, but it's not bad now. I'll do it with those people, but not those who are not a part of the context in which the hugs take place.

I look at it as like the secret handshake of a fraternity/sorority/lodge and such.



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22 Mar 2010, 9:48 am

I love hugs, but I hate handshakes. When you give a handshake, you have to look the other person, in the eye.


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22 Mar 2010, 10:05 am

Same here, I remember growing up and being taught all the proper points of a handshake, like grip strength, making eye contact, smiling / being confident, etc... Heck, there is even a BOOK about handshakes!

Yet to me it really has little meaning - other than what I have been told. To me I judge a person based on what they do, or the content of their words... not their handshake.

I know there are other social rituals I personally find odd - things like proper greetings / saying peoples names and the like. For me, even if I have not seen someone in some months, I have been taught to act surprised/happy ''WOW! Great to see you, have not seen you in a long time!!' Even though I may really feel that way, the outside picture is a necessary act so the other person is not insulted.


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22 Mar 2010, 10:42 am

I used to be utterly terrified by handshakes, but they were something that my family really valued. With time, I discovered that it was far easier for me to shake hands (or touch people in general) if I initiated it. Now, if I think there is any chance that a handshake is expected, I initiate it, just to play it safe. This actually plays out to my advantage, as I have large, strong hands and the fact that I initiate the act tells people that I am confident and assertive (which I actually am, in many ways).



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22 Mar 2010, 10:48 am

Although I don't understand why handshakes are such an important ritual, I don't mind doing it. I used to be terrified of shaking someone's hand, but I've pretty much mastered the skill.


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22 Mar 2010, 10:57 am

I'm totally indifferent about such action, handshakes, hugging, giving a kiss when meeting/leaving someone. I understand the use, for others, it comforts them, and addresses them personally, most people like that. I learned to react on it when people come at me with such intentions, though it still catches me by surprise from time to time.


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22 Mar 2010, 11:24 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I love hugs, but I hate handshakes. When you give a handshake, you have to look the other person, in the eye.


hugs are wonderful but a good western handshake [dry firm hand holding the whole hand and not just the fingers like easterners do] and nice smiling eyes are great also. when i was in the working world, the worst thing i found was to be made to shake hands with somebody who hates one's guts. they were usually trying to either squeeze my bloody hand off at the stump and staring daggars into my eyes, or they were giving me the dead fish handshake and were looking away from me as though they would rather be french-kissing beelzebub than being in the same universe with me.



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22 Mar 2010, 11:51 am

Very important. Its a sign of respect.



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22 Mar 2010, 12:56 pm

It can feel awkward, but I do it because that is what society wants me to do when meeting new people. If it's that important... :?



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22 Mar 2010, 1:23 pm

8O Just glad they're not all like those secret society handshakes, where they tickle your palm with a finger while gripping your hand. What sort of philistine dreamed up that perversion? :eew:



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22 Mar 2010, 2:00 pm

I don't mind the handshake, but the whole super-firm, "friendly", "well-met" hand shake bothers me. I'm usually fairly perfunctory about it if it's not someone I know well. Sometimes it can be very awkward, sometimes not. Hugs amongst (very) close friends or immediate family are usually alright.



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22 Mar 2010, 2:03 pm

I don't care for handshakes. I sometimes do it. If the person holds out their hand, I shake it just to be polite.



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22 Mar 2010, 2:11 pm

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Among Erickson's best-known innovations is the hypnotic handshake induction, which is a type of confusion technique. The induction is done by the hypnotist going to shake hands with the subject, then interrupting the flow of the handshake in some way, such as by grabbing the subject's wrist instead. If the handshake continues to develop in a way which is out-of-keeping with expectations, a simple, non-verbal trance is created, which may then be reinforced or utilized by the hypnotist. All these responses happen naturally and automatically without telling the subject to consciously focus on an idea.

This induction works because shaking hands is one of the actions learned and operate as a single "chunk" of behavior; tying shoelaces is another classic example. If the behavior is diverted or frozen midway, the person literally has no mental space for this - he is stopped in the middle of unconsciously executing a behavior that hasn't got a "middle". The mind responds by suspending itself in trance until either something happens to give a new direction, or it "snaps out". A skilled hypnotist can often use that momentary confusion and suspension of normal processes to induce trance quickly and easily.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._ ... _induction

I respond to a handshake invitation with a wrist grip, it is unexpected, but the implied suggestion that the other person should do the same thing puts them immediately in a state of mind where I should be trusted and that my suggestions are good ones.

Using that and things very similar to what Erickson describes is what I mean when I say my "improper method of social interaction is to control the possible outcomes in such a way that the other party thinks they are making all the decisions, rarely noticing that they're choosing from only the options I lay out, either by agreement, or denial, both of which can be constructed to obtain the effect I am after."

Responding to situations in subtly unexpected ways produces predictable results. Telling someone who asked for direction "you have to go this way, follow me" inspires a mental question "why should I?", whereas telling them "you can come with me if you want" sets them up to adopt the assumption as their own.

The handshake thing is just an extension of that, "follow my lead" without directly stating it.