Things my therapist said today
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"It sounds like you have severe sensory issues."
"What's that [finger flicking] you're doing? Are you counting?" "No. It's kind of calming." (she didn't mention the rocking or any of the other stimming I'd been doing)
"I don't have much experience with Asperger's, but I have seen severe cases. I don't see it with you. It sounds like you don't have much trouble socializing on the internet." She also suggested that the internet was actually making my social skills worse, hence my explanation that I used the internet to compensate.
We were talking about ADHD, and she saved that last bit for when the appointment was over, so I didn't have time to argue. I will bring it up next time, though.
Also I can't even get into how much palilalia I was doing, as well as how she started the session left me flailing for something that would give me a handle on how to talk to her about things. When she asked "how are you?" I probably spent five minutes trying to find an answer that wasn't a literal explanation of my morning. When she clarified that she meant for the entire week, I was able to get into things I wanted to discuss (hence sensory issues coming up). Once I was able to get into the purpose of the appointment, I was fine (if constantly digressing). She also pointed out that despite my constant digressions that I was able to redirect back to what I wanted to say.
So, any suggestions on maybe a book to recommend or just outright hand her? Or maybe I should write everything up and give it to her?
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The latter is what I always do in order to talk to my therapist, otherwise I am fidgety and looking at the floor.
I studied up on AS, wrote down the symptoms/behaviors I identified with, thought up personal examples, then presented her with the behaviors I had in mind. This helped me organize the things that were actually relevant to our session. It's such a challenge to think of things to talk about that will actually help me to fit into a 1-hour session.
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Oh, Verdandi I'm sorry your therapist is such a twit! I have recently started the process of investigating a dx for myself, and I lucked out with a wannabe shrink that came from the military as a GP! Oh boy! Have I got my work cut out for me!! So, he says he is not familiar with AS at all, so I felt it was my personal mission to educate the poor man! I recently got The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome (Attwood), and I first marked all the things I felt directly applied to me and how I feel, and I typed up a 6 page (didn't mean it to be that long, honest!) report if u will and gave it to him. This was after I had previously brought print-outs of how women present differently and the main differences between men and women with AS.
I honestly thought he'd be pissed, but he actually said thanks, and that he wished more patients would do that! He said it was helpful for him because I have a very hard time during our sessions saying what I really mean to say...so this way I had plenty of time to think and prepare the notes for him that describe the major obstacles that I have. And, it is presented in a way that he understands! I was thinking about suggesting some reading for him, but I understand that he has a life separate from my treatment and may not have that kind of time, so I felt it would be better to give him 'hand-outs' that are related to information that I feel he should have.
Isn't therapy grand?!?
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The latter is what I always do in order to talk to my therapist, otherwise I am fidgety and looking at the floor.
I studied up on AS, wrote down the symptoms/behaviors I identified with, thought up personal examples, then presented her with the behaviors I had in mind. This helped me organize the things that were actually relevant to our session. It's such a challenge to think of things to talk about that will actually help me to fit into a 1-hour session.
I look at the desk, the window, the books, the floor. I barely make eye contact with her at all (although I do stare at her forehead sometimes). I think she thinks this is anxiety, since she said she could tell I was super anxious during my first visit, but I was actually pretty calm and relaxed. And one on one with a specific purpose for discussion is when I am at my best socially, even though the social niceties thoroughly tripped me up at the start.
I should write something down. I am so easily derailed in real-time conversation (instant messaging chat as well as verbally) by things, and I'm not always able to gather my thoughts to respond to someone's outright objection to what I'm trying to say.

This is our second appointment and I think it's more a matter that she's uninformed. It's frustrating, but she's pretty open to listening to me, I think. I just hope she hasn't decided that I can't possibly have it because I can socialize on the internet or be personable 1-on-1 in an environment I've been trying to get access to for nearly a year, where everything I am telling her is stuff I have already written down in chat or blogs or forums.
And she admitted she doesn't know much, so I'm hoping to revise that a bit.
It's probably just a matter of not being very familiar with AS. Do what you can to educate her and see if she doesn't change her response. If she fully understands the symptoms and the like and STILL doesn't think you have it, then she obviously has some reason why. Ask her to explain it to you. If it doesn't sound reasonable, then you could always go get a second opinion.
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And she admitted she doesn't know much, so I'm hoping to revise that a bit.
Eesh. Sounds like a deeper hole to start out in than I would be comfortable with. Is there nobody more qualified you can see? Paying someone to educate them about something I am paying them to be an expert in would drive me batty.
I had my third appointment on Tuesday to which I made myself find out my doctor's eye colour. I had barely looked at his face up until that point, but realized that I had to continue forcing myself to make eye contact...so, I found that my dr has blue eyes, which shocked me because I thought they were brown if I had to guess! I know I didn't hold the contact for long, but I seriously felt like I was staring at him, so I only looked at him enough to learn his eye colour! It was just too weird for me. And his office is BORING!! ! There is nothing on the walls, and nothing really to look at.
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I could not imagine starting anywhere else.
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I honestly thought he'd be pissed, but he actually said thanks, and that he wished more patients would do that! He said it was helpful for him because I have a very hard time during our sessions saying what I really mean to say...so this way I had plenty of time to think and prepare the notes for him that describe the major obstacles that I have. And, it is presented in a way that he understands! I was thinking about suggesting some reading for him, but I understand that he has a life separate from my treatment and may not have that kind of time, so I felt it would be better to give him 'hand-outs' that are related to information that I feel he should have.
Isn't therapy grand?!?

I am thinking of doing something like this. I've got the complete guide and ordered Aspergirls and the book Anbuend recommended in the same thread about autistic women.
I would prefer not to have to do this, but I think it's probably the best way.
Yeah, I agree with you. I think that's exactly what it is. She's not going to be diagnosing me either way, and I have to go through my PCP to get a referral to be assessed for such things, so mainly she's telling me what she thinks.
Aside from the frustration from yet another NT telling me I probably don't have AS because of a narrow set of assumptions, I was actually amused that she was commenting on actual AS symptoms before suggesting I didn't have it. And then used the fact that I use the internet as a socialization assistive device to suggest I don't have social difficulties. I don't even know what to think.
I should maybe dig up some of those Autistics Speaking Day posts.
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And she admitted she doesn't know much, so I'm hoping to revise that a bit.
Eesh. Sounds like a deeper hole to start out in than I would be comfortable with. Is there nobody more qualified you can see? Paying someone to educate them about something I am paying them to be an expert in would drive me batty.
The state is paying her, this is through medicaid. I do think it will cost one of the appointments I've been approved for, though.
Aside from this, I do like her and I don't want to go through all the stuff again to start with a new therapist. I don't want to change my admittedly new routine.
Oh, and thanks for the book recommendation. I've read it, and I like CinnamonGirl's suggestion.
Hmm, I don't know her eye color... Might check that out.
If you like her and think that she could work with you, then keep seeing her. The handouts may bridge the gap and help her to understand you and get you referred to the right person. That's the reason why I didn't call 'cheque please' when I first met my dr. He at least seemed to genuinely want to help, even if he has no knowledge of the condition that I speak of. I actually kind of like this guy...unlike every other dr I've come into contact with. I can't quite put my finger on what is different about him versus the other drs, but I think I'll keep him around for a little longer. If I don't agree with his methods or dx, I'll decide then what action to take. But, I want to give him a chance, and if u like ur doc, u might wanna at least try giving her some printed material...it couldn't hurt right? If all else fails, then you can always start over and get a new dr...I know, who wants to do that again?!
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Getting someone new would be easy, as she works in a building containing many therapists, and they assign patients (or therapists choose them).
It would also mean starting over from ground zero, which means I'd have to go over everything again - and I hate doing this*. She is willing to listen and has made it clear several times that if I have anything I want to discuss that's okay. So I'm going to trust right now that she will at least listen when I bring in more information for her to read.
* I failed a class once because they switched teachers. I couldn't cope with an unfamiliar teacher with different routines at all.
I hear ya! I hate feeling like a broken record because every time I see someone new I have to start all over again! If she is willing to work with you, then I think you should keep her, especially if you feel like you get along with her.
At my last appointment I brought up face blindness. He said a few things that would be typical of someone having anxiety over an issue, things like it isn't uncommon for people to not recognize others in unexpected setting. The idea is if you know it isn't just you you feel less anxious over it. I found it very annoying, but it took until today to figure out why. I'm not anxious over it. I was analyzing how others might react if I acted like I didn't know who they were. I was trying to understand the social consequences of my face blindness. He totally missed the point. So I'm going to have to school him at my next appointment.
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