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12 Apr 2011, 10:38 pm

I am SICK of the idea that ALL Aspies are these math/techno savants! I have dyscalculia (dyslexia's sister). I CAN'T do numbers, but I was reading Shakespeare in elementary school, and some Aspie's have average IQ's. We're not all math/techno super geniuses. Grrrrrrr. Sorry, but I keep seeing this implication (or worse, this stereotype stated as fact) everywhere that all of us are math/techno geniuses, so I felt like ranting for a second.


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12 Apr 2011, 10:41 pm

I agree! I hate technology (I say that as I sit here typing on a computer....but I have no idea how to work any of it, though) and I am not horrible in math, but I am certainly not a math genius. On the other hand, I was reading novels when I was five.



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12 Apr 2011, 10:44 pm

I don't understand the association because NVLD disorder is considered "nearly identical" to aspergers, and NVLD is characterized by a low non-verbal/performance IQ which it seems like technology would demand...

But, then again, I saw that there were a lot of "superior and gifted" aspies on the Raven's Progressive Matrices test according to that one research paper. So, I guess that would explain it.



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12 Apr 2011, 10:55 pm

I found this on a website:

Nonverbal learning disorder is a learning disorder that has many traits commonly associated with Asperger's syndrome. Like those with Asperger's syndrome, children with nonverbal learning disorder usually start to talk around 2 years of age (the age at which speech normally develops). They often have excellent memorization skills needed for reading and spelling. Also, they share a desire to form relationships but often fail because of poor social skills.

But these conditions are not the same. Children with nonverbal learning disorder have some distinguishing characteristics. A hallmark trait of the disorder is difficulty learning from the visual environment. Although they are poor visual learners, children with nonverbal learning disorder often excel at remembering information they hear. Children with Asperger's syndrome are also good at remembering information they hear.

Children with nonverbal learning disorder often have difficulty with math, because math is often explained in a visual context and these children lack nonverbal reasoning skills.

While many people with Asperger's syndrome have nonverbal learning disorder, not all do. Likewise, many people with nonverbal learning disorder do not have Asperger's syndrome. Although these disorders are separate, they both involve similar differences in processing information and those affected may benefit from the same types of treatment



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12 Apr 2011, 11:15 pm

i guess even aspies have multiple intelligents...



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12 Apr 2011, 11:20 pm

I'm sick of it too.



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12 Apr 2011, 11:28 pm

How come everyone attacked me when I posted something similar to this?

I have NVLD. I suck at math and science, though I guess I'm not as bad at the former as some people are.

When I took the GRE (test for grad school), my verbal score was in the 90th percentile, but my math score was in 28th or so percentile.

What sucks is that verbal skills don't impress employers one iota.



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12 Apr 2011, 11:30 pm

SadAspy wrote:
How come everyone attacked me when I posted something similar to this?

I have NVLD. I suck at math and science, though I guess I'm not as bad at the former as some people are.

When I took the GRE (test for grad school), my verbal score was in the 90th percentile, but my math score was in 28th or so percentile.

What sucks is that verbal skills don't impress employers one iota.

It depends on what field you are going into. Being able to lecture to people and talk to them easily is mandatory in some areas. I can't think of much except research or writing that doesn't require good verbal skills.



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13 Apr 2011, 1:17 am

I'm a technical Aspie, but am terrible at math as well. I love electronics and science of all kinds. I know technology and electronics in and out, I can repair electronics and design and built simple electronic projects. I like digital electronics, but prefer analog electronics. I love vintage electronics, especially vintage telephones, televisions, and radios. My interests in electronics are unconventional, where as most fields if interest are micro controllers, robotics, I was into the design of Cold Cathode Flourescent Lamps inverters. Right now I have an interest in TV receive only (TVRO) satellite signals and cable TV headend equipment, which involves a Weatherstar 4000. I even had my own analog and digital cable system with about 7 channels, but I stopped running it because of the power all of the equipment used.

I was never an artistic Aspie like you guys were. I couldn't really write or sing or paint or do anything really artistic. I consider myself an "engineer", because that's what I wanted to be ever since I was a kid. I feel like I think like an engineer too.


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13 Apr 2011, 1:51 am

I hate this stereotype too! have NVLD too and am definitely not a techno whiz. (I'm terrible with computers)...........I had a lot of trouble with math in elementary and high school (probably bsc of the spatial/visual aspects) but have done very well in university stats.



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13 Apr 2011, 2:04 am

I was going to post a thread asking about something like that. I love math and science. I find it fun to solve math problems or to study any kind of science, especially the things that are practical, like biology. I'll start a thread about "what's your special interest" one procrastination later. Which hopefully will be later today, but it might be after one week.



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13 Apr 2011, 5:36 am

I know, it's so annoying!! !!
I know you maths/techno guys can't help it, it's just a part of you and you obviously really enjoy what you do... but sometimes it's so tiring trying to escape the stigma surrounding Aspergers/autism and maths/technology.

My 'forte', as it were, is English. I looooove English language and am a very accomplished musician for my age, but it sucks that maths is so difficult XD


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13 Apr 2011, 6:48 am

I crunch numbers in my head like nothing, but algebra I just suck at.

I can't figure out my phone for the life of me..

I think the stereotype for that is asian people, not nessecarily aspies/autistics.


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13 Apr 2011, 7:38 am

l00p1n wrote:
i guess even aspies have multiple intelligents...


Not sure why you say "even". I would say that our multiple intelligence is much more magnified in both directions than that of NTs. I would even regard that as much more fundamental than the so-called triad of impairments ;-)

Basically, our bright bits are brighter and our dull bits are duller.



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13 Apr 2011, 9:13 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
SadAspy wrote:
How come everyone attacked me when I posted something similar to this?

I have NVLD. I suck at math and science, though I guess I'm not as bad at the former as some people are.

When I took the GRE (test for grad school), my verbal score was in the 90th percentile, but my math score was in 28th or so percentile.

What sucks is that verbal skills don't impress employers one iota.

It depends on what field you are going into. Being able to lecture to people and talk to them easily is mandatory in some areas. I can't think of much except research or writing that doesn't require good verbal skills.


Well...it just seems that the math/science Aspies have a much easier time getting a decent job than those of us who you are liberal arts/social science types.



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13 Apr 2011, 9:38 am

SadAspy wrote:

Well...it just seems that the math/science Aspies have a much easier time getting a decent job than those of us who you are liberal arts/social science types.


This may be part of it. A definite integral has a specific, indisputable solution and no amount of social context can change that so the people to people interactions so critical in much of society are not germane to much of the activity in math and science. So my deficit in understanding people is less of a factor in hindering my employment. That said, it is still HUGE, because I cannot seem to determine any path through the labyrinthine morass of corporate life. 1+1= whatever the boss says and that doesn't work for me.


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