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24 Jun 2011, 5:48 pm

Have any of you taken or read about the Sally-Anne test that tests your Theory of Mind (or lack therof)? I was never given it, but I just read about it in depth. When I got to the end of the test's explanation, I thought, "duh! The answer is _______" only to find out I was wrong and apparently don't have Theory of Mind. I knew I was lacking in ToM anyway, but I thought the test seemed so simple. Has anyone else done this test.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:00 pm

I just read an explanation, and halfway through thought "she won't look anywhere, she has no reason to believe the marble has been moved."

I'll take that as a pass.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:03 pm

I never took this as a child and now I know what the answer is.

I think theory of mind tasks like Sally Anne don't really test theory of mind as well as they test language comprehension, however, another thing autistic people may have difficulties with.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:04 pm

Yes and I passed. How would she know her friend moved it if she didn't see it? I would look where I put the marble too where I left it. If I didn't see someone moving it, I would still look in the same spot where I put it because I wouldn't know someone moved it.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:07 pm

Verdandi wrote:

I think it works on little kids but not on teens and adults. Most aspie adults answer this correctly from what I have gathered because it's "logical."

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24 Jun 2011, 6:09 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

I think it works on little kids but not on teens and adults. Most aspie adults answer this correctly from what I have gathered because it's "logical."

Yeah. It seems pretty obvious to me.

I've been able to work out higher-order theory of mind tasks as well. I don't think I've ever seen a fourth-order ToM task, however.

What I meant was I never did this at the age when I was likely to fail.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:12 pm

League_Girl wrote:

Yes, and apparently that reasoning shows Theory of Mind. I didn't think that way at all.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:13 pm

My daughter failed this when she was dx'd in January but got it easily now.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:14 pm

Verdandi wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

I think it works on little kids but not on teens and adults. Most aspie adults answer this correctly from what I have gathered because it's "logical."

What order is this test? When I found out that I was wrong, I had to even re read it a couple times to figure out the reasoning of why I was wrong. :oops:

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24 Jun 2011, 6:21 pm

littlelily613 wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

I think it works on little kids but not on teens and adults. Most aspie adults answer this correctly from what I have gathered because it's "logical."

What order is this test? When I found out that I was wrong, I had to even re read it a couple times to figure out the reasoning of why I was wrong. :oops:

First order - what you think about another person's thoughts or state of mind. Second order is what you think about someone else's thoughts about another person's thoughts or state of mind - like asking "Where does Anne think Sally will look for the marble?"

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24 Jun 2011, 6:22 pm

Another kind of test is the strange stories test:

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Sarah and Tom are going on a picnic. It is Tom's idea, he says it is going to be a lovely sunny day for a picnic. But just as they are unpacking the food, it starts to rain, and soon they are both soaked to the skin. Sarah is cross. She says, "Oh yes, a lovely day for a picnic alright!"

Is it true, what Sarah says?

Why does she say this?

I don't think this is a good example because the story tells you what Sarah's mood is.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:24 pm

Does anyone know of any good online ToM tests where you can click a button and submit? I haven't been able to find any. Maybe that is because there aren't any, but I thought I would ask anyway.

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24 Jun 2011, 6:39 pm

littlelily613 wrote:

Does anyone know of any good online ToM tests where you can click a button and submit? I haven't been able to find any. Maybe that is because there aren't any, but I thought I would ask anyway.

This one does strange stories with slides:

http://www.slideshare.net/jamiedavies/a ... ion-652250

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24 Jun 2011, 7:51 pm

I figure Sally-Ann must have done this so often by now that of course she's going to know where the damn marble is...

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24 Jun 2011, 9:22 pm

Verdandi wrote:

littlelily613 wrote:

Does anyone know of any good online ToM tests where you can click a button and submit? I haven't been able to find any. Maybe that is because there aren't any, but I thought I would ask anyway.

This one does strange stories with slides:

http://www.slideshare.net/jamiedavies/a ... ion-652250

Why in the world is the post office the most obvious place to look? I would have said the fitness class because sometimes people take their glasses off when they exercise.

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24 Jun 2011, 10:02 pm

mori_pastel wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

littlelily613 wrote:

Does anyone know of any good online ToM tests where you can click a button and submit? I haven't been able to find any. Maybe that is because there aren't any, but I thought I would ask anyway.

This one does strange stories with slides:

http://www.slideshare.net/jamiedavies/a ... ion-652250

Why in the world is the post office the most obvious place to look? I would have said the fitness class because sometimes people take their glasses off when they exercise.

Yeah, I was wondering that too. I would have said the flower shop because that was the last place she was and what you say about the fitness class makes sense, so that would make the post office the least obvious place, to me.

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