Does having Asperger's make it hard to think positive?

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16 May 2012, 8:40 pm

I've noticed a lot of people have the ability to "self-deceive".

"Things will get better."
"Think positive."
"How do you know that something bad will happen?"
"You don't know for sure, so why do you think it will be bad?"
"Rejoice in life."
"Just live a day at a time."
"There is someone for everyone."
"All you need is confidence."
"Tragedies do happen, but don't focus on them. Remember there is so much good in the world."
"You think too much!!"
"Don't worry, it will all work out."

The above statements aren't necessarily self-deceptions, it just seems like they are relied on heavily in lieu of a more detailed, statistical analysis.

It has been said that the human mind is wired to see things slightly more positively than "objective reality" may show. It may be a protective mechanism that has evolved over time.

Many people view the world as an essentially positive place, in spite of horrible tragedies occurring to their neighbors, for instance. They can just block it out, even incorporate a more positive worldview based on a selective screening of factual evidence. Anything too upsetting goes in the wastebasket.

I am an agnostic and have trouble having faith in anything for the same reason. Life just seems very random with no guarantees. The fact of human suffering and tragedy, not just human but on all levels...is deeply upsetting. People tend to dismiss this with "What are you doing about it?" as if they are a fly on the wall... as if being upset about tragedy is somehow evidence that you are not trying to make it better.

Perhaps it is not a matter of ignoring the negative but possessing the ability to box it up and forget about it when needed. Wish I had the ability to do this, perhaps it is Asperger's or some other cognitive reason for being unable to ignore the negative.

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16 May 2012, 8:52 pm

tjr1243 wrote:
I've noticed a lot of people have the ability to "self-deceive".

"Things will get better."
"Think positive."
"How do you know that something bad will happen?"
"You don't know for sure, so why do you think it will be bad?"
"Rejoice in life."
"Just live a day at a time."
"There is someone for everyone."
"All you need is confidence."
"Tragedies do happen, but don't focus on them. Remember there is so much good in the world."
"You think too much!!"
"Don't worry, it will all work out."

The above statements aren't necessarily self-deceptions, it just seems like they are relied on heavily in lieu of a more detailed, statistical analysis.

It has been said that the human mind is wired to see things slightly more positively than "objective reality" may show. It may be a protective mechanism that has evolved over time.

Many people view the world as an essentially positive place, in spite of horrible tragedies occurring to their neighbors, for instance. They can just block it out, even incorporate a more positive worldview based on a selective screening of factual evidence. Anything too upsetting goes in the wastebasket.

I am an agnostic and have trouble having faith in anything for the same reason. Life just seems very random with no guarantees. The fact of human suffering and tragedy, not just human but on all levels...is deeply upsetting. People tend to dismiss this with "What are you doing about it?" as if they are a fly on the wall... as if being upset about tragedy is somehow evidence that you are not trying to make it better.

Perhaps it is not a matter of ignoring the negative but possessing the ability to box it up and forget about it when needed. Wish I had the ability to do this, perhaps it is Asperger's or some other cognitive reason for being unable to ignore the negative.

Thoughts?


tl:dr but no it doesnt and yes it does. i cant lie to myself i know that i wont make in in NT society if i continue as i am and i think about it often but when things are good its easy to think positive. dont lie to yourself bro just make things good and you will be good. look for something you dont like about yourself and improve it, also look for something you do like then optimise it and focus on that whenever life gets you down


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16 May 2012, 8:54 pm

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it just seems like they are relied on heavily in lieu of a more detailed, statistical analysis.


You could say the same about negative assumptions. We are prone to going into mental loops, thinking and thinking until we find the bad thing. It's something called cognitive gaiting i think based in the amigdala.

The trick is to think about something but when you feel yourself going into a loop to distract yourself. Reading up on CBT is useful too.

Yes people do screen themselfs from all the bad in the world. I live in Ireland and people complain about how theres crime and how things used to be better. They're WRONG here there was tons of terrorism, bombings, people being diapeared, kids getting raped. It's the news, It's not that the world is getting worse, it's that every bad thing in the world is now piped into your home. You can't possibly keep up on all the troubles of 7 billion people and stay sane, so yes you go need block some of that out.

I'm not dismissing any real trouble your having, pessimisim and optionmism aren't just ways of looking at things, they're profossies. You're more possitive you assume you can do things, that things will go well and then sometimes they do.



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16 May 2012, 10:11 pm

For me,

It meant recognizing this sentence....

"I've noticed a lot of people have the ability to "self-deceive". "

led to all of the other negative that followed.


And this sentence.....

"I am an agnostic and have trouble having faith in anything "

Is self defeating. with strong emotional energy.


I don't know if its harder? But it ain't rocket science.

THere may be chemical causes or environmental causes. or effects. for/from "uncontrollable negative pretext"

I have recognized a cycle to things in my life and what triggers certain emotions or anxieties I need to give attention to. Something out of sync in one area can cause "uncontrollable negative pretext" about unrelated issues. SO you dismiss a lot of it and move on.

You can't always control the words or images that pop into your head, but you can control which ones you hold on to, and which ones you play with, or challernge yourself with.

I'm just sayin'



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16 May 2012, 10:43 pm

This assumes that there are "good" thoughts and "bad" thoughts. I believe that it's better to evaluate thinking based on whether it is logical or illogical, true or false thoughts. An illogical thought is not necessarily negative nor is it positive. It simply is.



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17 May 2012, 12:58 am

Some of that annoys me. To me it's like a lie and how do they know how things will turn out or what will happen? I think people lie to themselves because they don't like to worry so positive thoughts keep them happy.

My mother tells me I love to worry. I guess I do then or else I would be thinking positive thoughts. Can you like doing something and not know it even though you hate it?



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17 May 2012, 1:06 am

Personally it really annoys when people tell me to "think positive" or "don't focus on the bad things" or "stop worrying all the time, happiness is a choice you know". It annoys me because I don't know how to think that way. I am, and I always have been, a pessimist. Also, just like RobotGreenAlien2 said, I easily go into mental loops where I keep thinking and worrying about things. It's hard to break those thought patterns.



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17 May 2012, 1:15 am

rebbieh wrote:
Personally it really annoys when people tell me to "think positive" or "don't focus on the bad things" or "stop worrying all the time, happiness is a choice you know". It annoys me because I don't know how to think that way. I am, and I always have been, a pessimist. Also, just like RobotGreenAlien2 said, I easily go into mental loops where I keep thinking and worrying about things. It's hard to break those thought patterns.


And I would get told this is all OCD here. We can't stop thinking and worrying about stuff and lot of people have the ability to turn it off in their heads and not think about it. With me, I try and think of other things to distract me from the bad thoughts and focus on other things I enjoy doing so i can literally forget about it until it comes back to my head again.



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17 May 2012, 1:21 am

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Personally it really annoys when people tell me to "think positive" or "don't focus on the bad things" or "stop worrying all the time, happiness is a choice you know". It annoys me because I don't know how to think that way. I am, and I always have been, a pessimist. Also, just like RobotGreenAlien2 said, I easily go into mental loops where I keep thinking and worrying about things. It's hard to break those thought patterns.


And I would get told this is all OCD here. We can't stop thinking and worrying about stuff and lot of people have the ability to turn it off in their heads and not think about it. With me, I try and think of other things to distract me from the bad thoughts and focus on other things I enjoy doing so i can literally forget about it until it comes back to my head again.


This whole OCD vs AS thing really confuses me. I mean, sure I worry about all kinds of things and I've got a lot of repetitive thoughts and behaviours, but I don't think I've got bad thoughts that force me to do rituals which is, if I've understood it correctly, what happens when you've got OCD.



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17 May 2012, 1:26 am

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rebbieh wrote:
Personally it really annoys when people tell me to "think positive" or "don't focus on the bad things" or "stop worrying all the time, happiness is a choice you know". It annoys me because I don't know how to think that way. I am, and I always have been, a pessimist. Also, just like RobotGreenAlien2 said, I easily go into mental loops where I keep thinking and worrying about things. It's hard to break those thought patterns.


And I would get told this is all OCD here. We can't stop thinking and worrying about stuff and lot of people have the ability to turn it off in their heads and not think about it. With me, I try and think of other things to distract me from the bad thoughts and focus on other things I enjoy doing so i can literally forget about it until it comes back to my head again.


This whole OCD vs AS thing really confuses me. I mean, sure I worry about all kinds of things and I've got a lot of repetitive thoughts and behaviours, but I don't think I've got bad thoughts that force me to do rituals which is, if I've understood it correctly, what happens when you've got OCD.



I'm confused about it too. It seems like the definition of autism about it is changing. Back when I got diagnosed, OCD and AS were both the same thing when it came to obsessions and worrying about stuff and the routines. Plus when I saw a therapist in my early 20's, I mentioned how I wring my wrists and the therapist mentioned obsessive compulsive and how common it is for autistic people to do it. Apparently stimming is a form of OCD. Now it seems like the definition for OCD vs autism is changing because people are now arguing they are not the same and they are both two different things and that OCD is not part of autism.



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17 May 2012, 2:05 am

tjr1243 wrote:
I've noticed a lot of people have the ability to "self-deceive".

"Things will get better."
"Think positive."
"How do you know that something bad will happen?"
"You don't know for sure, so why do you think it will be bad?"
"Rejoice in life."
"Just live a day at a time."
"There is someone for everyone."
"All you need is confidence."
"Tragedies do happen, but don't focus on them. Remember there is so much good in the world."
"You think too much!!"
"Don't worry, it will all work out."
Thoughts?


I just realized that this aids my concept. Let me just copy that...

I speculated a while ago that; If a person can justify an action with a belief, they can then interpret that action in any light they want according to what the belief is.

Eg. "The Jews aren't people, they don't have personalities, they are abominations." Therefore it is morally correct to gas the Jews (In that persons mind).

Eg. "God wants me to blow myself up and kill those around me. God has promised me 72 virgins for doing so. The people I kill are abominations in the eyes of God." Therefore, it is then morally correct to blow yourself up and kill those around you (in that persons mind).

So, theoretically, if you can indicate the belief that is making you feel that particular way, all you have to do is make yourself believe otherwise. Thus, you change the emotion associated with the belief.

Eg. Nobody is afraid of heights, they are afraid of falling and dying. Therefore, the reason they are afraid is because of the belief that they are going to die if they fall. So, if a person can change that belief; make themselves temporarily believe that they won't die if they fall, or perhaps; that it is impossible for them to fall, then their fear may very well dissipate or disappear.



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17 May 2012, 3:08 am

tjr1243 wrote:

"You think too much!!"


I think a problem is most people do not think very much at all. If I think less, is that thinking positively?


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17 May 2012, 3:35 am

Wikipedia wrote:
......while non-depressed people see things in an overly positive light and severely depressed people see things in overly negative light, the mildly discontented grey area in between in fact reflects the most accurate perception of reality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressive_realism

Frankly, I think that the simple fact that we all eventually die is enough to depress anybody.......it would be bad enough if we just died really suddenly and didn't know much about it, but mostly we just get more and more pain and disability, like being tortured on a rack. The only way I can cope with that knowledge is to avoid thinking about it.



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17 May 2012, 3:42 am

If people did not ignore the negative it would not of built up & got even worse. Ignoring it does not make it go away. The ones who make a better world is the ones who don't turn away from it. Ones who constantly bombard the brick walls with flak trying to smash them down. We will be that annoying fly in your ear, up your nose, in your mouth, until you listen & start caring & open your heart.

It would be so much more easier if they were not they in the first place & better people were in the jobs in the first place. Who can listen & have a grasp on reality & don't turn away from it.

& actually read stuff & are honest, don't care if you don't want to hear it, then don't have the job in the first place.

Ignoring it or self delusional thinking does not make it go away. Only thing your doing is turning a blind eye.

You want to know why most people suffer, because hidden away inside you that guilt is there.


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17 May 2012, 4:58 am

*Nods excessively* YES, it does.


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17 May 2012, 5:04 am

If I thought positive I'd just be lying to and deluding myself and setting myself up for disappointment.