AS should be named Evolution Syndrome

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I think AS should be named Evolution Syndrome.

Most of our traits are positive traits, the only negative side to AS is because the majority of the population are NT, and the psychological disorders of knowing you do not fit in.

My point is there was never a specific cut off point where we all jumped the evolutionary chain, rather it is a slow process which always leaves a grey area as we are always evolving.

If you analyse AS there is no other condition which is like it, i know it is classed as a disability but only because we have difficulties with the majority.

I strongly believe Autism is evolution that is why there is a broad spectrum where evolution is heading is anybody's guess, your thoughts will be read with great interest.

Hmm.

My first thought is that you have a rather inflated view of AS. I'm very high functioning, myself... but there are considerably more drawbacks than just the social aspect. I don't know about the rest of this board, but I expect that there are many who will understand what I mean when I say I am pretty much scared all the time. Loud noises, bright lights, large crowds, small spaces, new situations, tiny noises all get to me, and the end result is I often do not want to leave my house.



We are always evolving, both NT and Aspie. There is no specific point where we "jumped the evolutionary chain" because, to my knowledge, we haven't. That would involve rapid and sudden changes to the genome without the normal process of evolution.



There are perks, yes. And I would not give up those perks in exchange for a cure, even if there were such a thing. However, there ARE other conditions like it. The whole autistic spectrum has similarities to AS and there is much debate as to whether the Autistic Spectrum is made of similar conditions, or different levels of manifestation of the same thing. Then there are the conditions that have a lot of similarity to us... ADD, ADHD, etc.

Now, to address your point as a whole.....

Look, man, this isn't the X-Men. This isn't the New Mutants, X-Force, X-Factor, Project X, or the fracking X-Babies. And it CERTAINLY isn't the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. We are not evolving to replace NTs. It may happen that some of our traits will get homogenized into the human genome, but this notion that we are the next wave of humanity is just a weeee bit on the messianic side.

I, too, am smug and self-superior, and I read waaaay to damn many comics. But I figured out that I was never going to join the X-Men and hook up with Kitty Pryde while I was still in the 8th grade.

Evolution is about having the most babies, not being superior. Take a look at the 'Love and Dating' section, and you'll see that AS people aren't getting very far in that area.

Perhaps theres a parallel evolution thing. Maybe the human race has always had this sort of neurodiversity in it and it's meant too be this way.

People with AS do have a knack for seeing something that NT's don't. There are disadvantages and advantages so i see no reason why ether NT's or AS's need be superior, just different brain types maybe for different roles.

definately agree....i think its the technical evolution of the internet tho that has given us the means to meet other similar folks and go...hang on a minute but i bet we've been around for a fair while

there seems to be lots of things tying into this both scientific and mystical...

but i am gonna just point out some non-scientific stuff....mostly cos i like patterns and some things seem to correlate

Reading Nietzsche....he says the 3rd metamorphosis of the spirit is the child spirit ( http://www.pitt.edu/~wbcurry/nietzsche/nuber.html <-- tis here...1/2 way down the page....this kaufmann translated version is better than the others...who stuff up heaps of words)

a bit of it is 'The child(spirit) is innocence and forgetting, a new beginning, a game, a self-propelled wheel, a first movement, a sacred "Yes." For the game of creation, my brothers, a sacred "Yes" is needed'

it seems a lot of aspies share those qualities...

this '3' pops up in other places too....like it is the symbol for the 6th shakra 'Ajna' relating to the 3rd eye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra ....the colour of this chakra... is purple..... ..specific chakra here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajna

which leads to another pattern....that the supposed indigo children which have all the same statistical anomolies we do.....have purple aura's apparently...

there is more...but i'll contain myself

I sometimes entertain the notion that the human race is developing into a colony species like some bugs. We're the brain bugs, the actors and supermodels are the queen bugs, the buff physical folks are the soldier bugs, and [[insert political party you don't like here]] are the drones.

Mind you, I know I made it up, but it's fun to think about.

*buries head in hands* Where the hell does this "AS means we must be evolutionarily superior!" bull come from, anyway? This isn't the first time I've seen it, and it never fails to annoy and bewilder me.

As Seigneur said, the only measure of biological fitness is how many offspring an organism manages to beget. That's IT. And, again as Seigneur pointed out, due to social issues, Aspies often have trouble finding a mate--and besides THAT, asexuality seems to be a little more common amongst people with AS (note that I am not saying that AS = asexuality, nor am I saying that asexuality = AS by any means), which again would preclude high numbers of offspring.

Total agreement here. This attitude is one of the most obnoxious and idiotic ones I've seen on the boards to date. Really, before you start trumpeting a type you belong to as the "next great evolutionary step," do try to understand what evolution is.

The first rule in understanding evolution: There is no "destination." There is no "better" except when correlating to evolutionary fitness (AKA number of offspring surviving to pass on their genes). DO NOT FORGET THIS. Lack of understanding this simple concept, incidentally, was the main impetus to the eugenics moments and the Social Darwinist campaigns of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. I can assure you, you do not want to associate with these in any way.

It is a neat thought, but if it were proven (somehow, lets just imagine) that we are an evolution, then I think it would result in me inadvertantly distancing myself from my peers because I know that I truly am 'different', and just just in a way of thought in the same species or creature of humans (this is ridiculous when you consider the way I've thought myself about having AS, which can be similar in certain ways, I guess).

I would want myself to remain a Human Being, not an Aperga Being.

As for the other theory, it might be probable that this is fate's (or God's, or whatever/whomever you beleive runs the show around here) way of testing things out. It can sound kinda insulting in the way that you can think "What!?! I'm just a freaking test!?!". In reality, I think the likelyhood of finding out why we are the way we are is about as likely as God doing the can-can in front of the Whitehouse with a supporting cast of aliens in tights singing Beethoven.

And for another theory, the fact that we're a different mindset to 'help out' seems comforting in a way, because it would actually explain Einstein's existince (if he was himself on the Spectrum, as it is theorised). Our roles may be less major than they are compared to Einstein's, but in fate's book, it still counts for something.
The next question to that answer is what the heck NTs are here for!?

Actually you didn't....in some of Tesla's philosophy 100 years back...he said we would eventually become a similar structure to a bee hive etc

also interesting visuals on maynards new site (lead guy from tool) ....has a huge women shackling a little drone guy eheh (with sections like queen bees & drones....think he's been reading the same material )
https://store.puscifer.com/

>>>The next question to that answer is what the heck NTs are here for!?

read nietzsche's 3 spirits......wouldn't NT's correspond exactly to lion spirits?
http://www.pitt.edu/~wbcurry/nietzsche/nuber.html <-- tis here...1/2 way down the page

lion bit:
In the loneliest desert, however, the second metamorphosis occurs: here the spirit becomes a lion who would conquer his freedom and be master in his own desert. Here he seeks out his last master: he wants to fight him and his last god; for ultimate victory he wants to fight with the great dragon.
Who is the great dragon whom the spirit will no longer call lord and god? "Thou shalt" is the name of the great dragon. But the spirit of the lion says, "I will." "Thou shalt" lies in his way, sparkling like gold, an animal covered with scales; and on every scale shines a golden "thou shalt."
Values, thousands of years old, shine on these scales; and thus speaks the mightiest of all dragons: "All value has long been created, and I am all created value. Verily, there shall be no more 'I will.'" Thus speaks the dragon.
My brothers, why is there a need in the spirit for the lion? Why is not the beast of burden, which renounces and is reverent, enough?
To create new values -- that even the lion cannot do; but the creation of freedom for oneself and a sacred "No" even to duty -- for that, my brothers, the lion is needed.


(what this is saying...is NT's needed to setup the world to its current state so that the child spirit(theoretically aspies) could then thrive as new creators etc..) .ie....no use us thriving before there was an internet etc...to connect up with

Last edited by Deutha on 08 Dec 2006, 6:57 am, edited 2 times in total.

Now we're getting into meaning-of-life type stuff.

I was thinking along those lines as soon as I'd posted that, Deutha! Let's hope it's a friendly as the Elves leaving Middle-Earth so that Men could take over (so that Aspies would take over after them?? Who knows...).

I'd want to keep some of my NT friends though, I couldn't live without them.

Yeah, there is a similar line of thought that has been popular with the ADHD community. You may have heard of the hunter-gatherer theory. Here is what Dr. Russell Barkley had to say about that theory.

"Here’s storytelling about AD/HD. AD/HD children are just leftover hunters from the Pleistocene era of
human evolution and there’s really nothing wrong with them. They’re just the good old hunters from
our caveman days being forced to live in a world of farmers and education. That is one view of AD/
HD that became very popular over the last decade and that is not a theory. That is a silly little idea for
building self-esteem in AD/HD children, and I don’t happen to believe that you should be building
self-esteem by lying to people, by practicing small deceits, by creating little stories about the origin
of a disorder so that you can act as if it wasn’t a disorder. From that view, there’s nothing wrong with
AD/HD. It’s the environment that’s the problem. AD/HD is just a mismatch between little hunters
where hunting is no longer needed by the environment. Let me tell you something. The last person I
ever want to go hunting with is an AD/HD individual off their medication".

So what leftover trait would Aspies have? ..or do we have next evolutionary advancement with Aspergers? Personally, I think we have a disorder which simply impairs a select group of skill sets and possibly enhances a few other skill sets. Net result?...Life for an Aspie is typically is more difficult although some may be able thrive under the right conditions while others will have great difficulty coping in most enviornments.

Actually, my opinion of my math ability has apparantly been clouded, etc.. If it isn't already better than average, it probably will be. That would mean that mentally in most ways(except those good for things like sports and socializing), I'll be BETTER.

I may not have coordination that is that great, but I have and can compensate a lot, and it isn't something that would put humans at a disadvantage if all humans had it as bad as I did.

Language leaves too much room for interpretation. I actually had to change the wayI say sentences and everything, and run through permutations in my head because my last boss NEVER LISTENED completely, and then blamed ME when he ouldn'tunderstand something because he never even heard it. BTW I later learned German, and found things like word order and declension that, though they seem overly complicated and merely arbitrary would have, coincidently, solved the problem WITHOUT mangling the sentence!

As for the social aspect? Many cultures have ALREADY made it pretty meaningless, and it only means something because we are a minority. .

As for the noises, etc? That would likely help as much as hurt.

Otherwise, I don't think AS has really adversly affected me.

So YEAH, I COULD agree with the assertion that it could be an evolution.

As for the problems? There are certainly going to be LEVELS of growth, etc... Whos to say that an even LARGER increase in some area doesn't lead to a deficit somewhere else? OR, maybe everything is perfect, bur can't develop in to, has improper support, OR!..... What if they were merely delivered improperly because they had a larger head or something similar? That last one happens all the time! Lawyers here are advertising that now, to get more lawsuits, so you KNOW it is popular! Maybe the STUPID autistics would have been smarter if one little thing hadn't happened and they were given a chance.

NT people are DEVOLVING if anything! I've had that opinion since the 70s. I was only born in the 60s, so I can't say anything about how things were earlier. Society is going down hill EVERYWHERE! There are more wars and the arable land is getting smaller! There is BOUND to be more famine later. Right now I am sitting in a house in an area where thiis ONE development company wiped out 8 ACRES of corn fields! Anaheim california used to be ALL orange fields! Imagine how many people could have gotten orangejuice from an orchard as big as disneyland! Disneyland is a tiny SPEC on the map compared to anaheim as a whole.

OH, and evolution is NOT about reproduction! Only SUSTAINING evolution, and progressing further are. There ARE aspies having aspie kids. Whos to say things haven't already started getting better?

BTW the poor performance in the aspie forum is NOT a valid indicator. NT situations have the SAME problems! THAT is how computer dating and arranged marriages got started, etc...

Steve

I have not got an inflated view of AS i too jump at the slightest noise when i am out.

I also have a scar across my forehead due to self mutilation, and numerous suicide attempts behind me.

I have never said we are evovling into x-men, nor have i said we are superior to NT's,why don't you read the post and think logically instead of taking it to a personal level.

I wanna be Magneto.

"They said they have a cure for us..."