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14 Dec 2012, 10:53 am

What would you say are the characteristics of an extrovert Asperger's person?


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14 Dec 2012, 11:06 am

Fewer friends, more enemies, more girls call you a creep (not sure how it works for girls), more likely to get fired, more likely to get jailed for sexual harassment. I met a very extroverted aspie at an aspie group meeting who complained about getting fired for making lesbian jokes. He talked all the time and just seemed so clueless, even at the age of 50. I think I would make many mistakes too if I talked as much as he does.

I think being shy is an important coping mechanism. I think it prevents me from making costly mistakes that other aspies make regularly. My only experience of trying to treat my social anxiety with medication actually made my ASD symptoms worse. Although doctors think my social anxiety is "clinically significant" and needs treatment, I refuse. What's irrational fear for an NT is not irrational for an aspie, and psychiatrists are all clueless NT's. Being extroverted for an aspie is the kiss of death.

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14 Dec 2012, 11:31 am

Your guess is a good as mine. I'm conflicted with this notion... What if you enjoy hanging around many other people over just one person but you don't have the social skills to do that. Those personality tests online really don't take that into account.

Apparently introverts try to avoid negative social consequences or "punishments" while extroverts are driven by the possibility of a positive outcome or "reward". So... yeah it's probably someone who keeps talking and trying to make friends despite the extreme negative consequences that are a result of his or her awkward behaviours. Not unlike me lol despite being told that I'm quiet, shy and an introvert (especially when I was younger and didn't know why I was different). I really don't know.


As a girl, you aren't told you're a creep so much as... people (strangers) getting mad at you or thinking that you are purposely trying to be rude, people treating you like you're dumb or clueless and ignoring you, or being the target of sociopaths



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14 Dec 2012, 12:05 pm

Actually I would want to say its not possible. Aspie traits by their definition cultivate introverts. Or not....?....



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14 Dec 2012, 12:20 pm

Aspie "traits", as often described, don't play into it that much.

The issue is of Aspie "Traits" of not processing Non-verbal communication in real time, and therefore losing out on the oppertunity to develop interpersonal communication strategies.



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14 Dec 2012, 2:19 pm

I'm more or less like this.

Basically, you're an annoying idiotface nobody likes.

For examples, see Chris-chan or possibly Frank Yang (diagnosed OCD and schizotypal, and schizotypal is quite similar to Aspergers in that you can't recognize social things.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeBciqe89tE
Frank Yang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UsyGYk2FQ
Chris-chan.

Basically, people see you like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7HyMYAgcLQ[/youtube]



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14 Dec 2012, 2:24 pm

Yeah, extrovert Aspies often come off as annoying, but I find myself unable to actually dislike them. They are the epitome of "active but odd"--will talk forever if you get them started about their favorite topics, will greet strangers and start conversations on just about anything with just about anyone. As children they may consider everyone their friend, by default. Adults will know everybody in the area, possibly by name; maybe even thousands of names if they have a good memory for names and faces. They will often be mistaken for (or also diagnosed with) hyperactive-type ADHD. They tend to be under-sensitive, and to seek out intense sensory experiences. Their stims are often quite energetic and noticeable. They are more obviously "weird" than introverts are, but "annoying weirdo" isn't the judgment everyone will make about them. Most of them will be known as eccentrics and oddballs, but it's not inevitable that people will dislike them. Some people find their honesty and enthusiasm very refreshing. The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.


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14 Dec 2012, 2:30 pm

I dunno, I'm trying to learn my best to just not talk to anyone anymore. It's hard.

I wanna just walk around with a scowl on my face and not talk to anyone now, because apparently I'm dreadfully weird and annoying and nobody likes me.

http://ninjapirate.com/article/xmasface

Basically, my default is like this:
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Good. Nobody has the nerve to confront a kid with the look of "I'm playing XBox with the rumble pack on my balls."


I wanna be more like this:
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Good. This is how it's done. A+ mode for this guy. Give him an internet applause by tapping your fingers lightly on the keyboard.



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14 Dec 2012, 2:48 pm

There's a guy who works in the supermarket around here as a bag checker and cart getter. He's well intentioned, but boy, is he loud! He absolutely doesn't understand that some people simply want to get their groceries and get home in silence. No one wants to be rude, but when he starts a conversation with you, you're impelled to listen to it through its natural conclusion which is...never.



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14 Dec 2012, 3:22 pm

My daughter's an extrovert with Aspergers. She'll talk to anybody about stuff. She went on and on this morning to a neighbour about Playmobil and I don't think much of it made sense. Most adults think she's just adorable and say that she must keep me amused. She loves people and having company, but her attempts to start conversations often fail. This morning, when we arrived in the playground, she went over to some classmates and showed them a Playmobil brochure and started to point to the things she'd like. One girl said to her, 'You bring that in all the time', which she diputed and I think this is the first time she had taken it to school. She does have issues with a lot of kids like that, but many of them tell lies and just like to be nasty, so the problems aren't all down to her social skills.


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14 Dec 2012, 3:45 pm

Callista wrote:
Yeah, extrovert Aspies often come off as annoying, but I find myself unable to actually dislike them. They are the epitome of "active but odd"--will talk forever if you get them started about their favorite topics, will greet strangers and start conversations on just about anything with just about anyone. As children they may consider everyone their friend, by default. Adults will know everybody in the area, possibly by name; maybe even thousands of names if they have a good memory for names and faces. They will often be mistaken for (or also diagnosed with) hyperactive-type ADHD. They tend to be under-sensitive, and to seek out intense sensory experiences. Their stims are often quite energetic and noticeable. They are more obviously "weird" than introverts are, but "annoying weirdo" isn't the judgment everyone will make about them. Most of them will be known as eccentrics and oddballs, but it's not inevitable that people will dislike them. Some people find their honesty and enthusiasm very refreshing. The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.


Actually sounds somewhat like me. Until I realized exactly how odd I was talking about almost anything with almost anyone....took me over 30 years to learn. Lol. So now I try to not talk to anyone really and continue to shock myself when I am successful and pass as normal in brief social interactions. Cuz once I start talking it takes forever for me to stop. So embarrassing.

I guess what I was thinking is the social punishment from NTs in response to my inability to learn and follow all of their social regulations has led me to retreat within myself. Happened when I was little for the first time and then repeatedly happened after larger than usual social failures. And I pretty much always registered introvert on any type of assessment. Also despite my desire to talk and interact, I can only do it for very short periods of time before I feel overloaded and stressed while extroverts are comforted and motivated by social interaction.



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14 Dec 2012, 4:11 pm

Callista wrote:
The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.


Yeah that's true

On another note...

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... and-autism

Introversion could be on the autism scale? I'm confused... Does that mean Extroverted Aspies don't exist?

I think we need a new definition of introversion/extroversion for the autism scale...



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14 Dec 2012, 4:24 pm

They literally don't exist.

Even if they often appeared outgoing, they would need time to recharge after prolonged socializing. Aka. they are introverted. This is because every aspie, and every introvert (neurotypical or not) has a less developed desensitization, which means that they don't have (as much) protection from stimuli.



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14 Dec 2012, 7:06 pm

You might say I am a slight extrovert.


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14 Dec 2012, 9:53 pm

Callista wrote:
Yeah, extrovert Aspies often come off as annoying, but I find myself unable to actually dislike them. They are the epitome of "active but odd"--will talk forever if you get them started about their favorite topics, will greet strangers and start conversations on just about anything with just about anyone. As children they may consider everyone their friend, by default. Adults will know everybody in the area, possibly by name; maybe even thousands of names if they have a good memory for names and faces. They will often be mistaken for (or also diagnosed with) hyperactive-type ADHD. They tend to be under-sensitive, and to seek out intense sensory experiences. Their stims are often quite energetic and noticeable. They are more obviously "weird" than introverts are, but "annoying weirdo" isn't the judgment everyone will make about them. Most of them will be known as eccentrics and oddballs, but it's not inevitable that people will dislike them. Some people find their honesty and enthusiasm very refreshing. The most important skill for an extrovert Aspie to learn is probably to find out when the other person no longer wants to interact, so that you don't hang around someone who wants to be alone.
Yeah, this describes a lot of my friends. I can't really assess my own behaviour, though. I know I'm an extrovert because I constantly stick my nose into new social things and then realize they're not for me. I also can't stop talking in my classes or in other structured settings. Luckily, I don't ever get tired of socializing with energetic people on the spectrum, as long as they talk about things of substance that stimulate my intellect. I've met an extrovert Aspie standing at a bus stop at my university once - he talked to everyone but was strangely secretive about his personal stuff. I was thinking he might be ashamed of something. We had a nice conversation, but unfortunately he didn't want to exchange contact info. He seemed dead set on using his email only for school purposes, yet he seemed extremely eager to socialize. I don't think he even realized the emotional need behind why he was talking to strangers like that in the first place.


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14 Dec 2012, 11:01 pm

Oh man, an extroverted Aspie sounds like something I'd be terrified of in person, to be honest...I just have no idea how to handle them. It's actually a recurring nightmare (daydream, really) that I go to an Asperger's support group or something and everyone is an extrovert, ha! The noise, aksfskasfkj. I do enjoy that they're generally kind-hearted and well-intentioned but I'm the last person on the planet who'd rudely cut-off someone mid conversation so once I'm stuck, I'm stuck forever. That said, I put my family and very close friends kind of through it as my comfort level is high enough with them that I tend to babble on but I spare strangers.


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