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11 Feb 2007, 1:49 pm

I don't like the impact that stories of Aspies committing threats and murder have on NTs who do not know anything about the syndrome. An example?

I was just randomly browsing the net one night, and this kid who I've known online for 2 years sends me a message over AIM, and hey tells me about some kid nearby his town freaking out on kids at school, mudering a few people, then committing suicide. He then tells me that he had this "disease" that caused him to do this stuff. I asked him what it was, and he said it had to do with Autism. I asked him if it was Asperger's Syndrome, and he says that's what it was. He then kept saying he couldn't believe they kept him in school after he made threats at school with a knife, and they should've done something about this psycho.

The whole time I am talking to this kid, I did not tell him that I have AS. I then proceeded to show him an article about AS on Wikipedia. He then said he felt a bit better about the syndrome, and agreed with me that people with the syndrome are not freaks. He started to understand.

However, there have been several stories on these types of behavior by kids with AS, and they have a negative impact on NTs who have never heard of Asperger's Syndrome.



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11 Feb 2007, 1:54 pm

The incident in Boston last month in which the high school student with AS stabbed a fellow student got my attention because I was worried that we will be persecuted because of that one young man's actions.

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11 Feb 2007, 1:59 pm

Some people will persecute us because they think that stabbing was cool and they want to see it happen again.



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11 Feb 2007, 2:02 pm

I have found that the worst anti aspie persecution is the unintentional persecution of the minority by a majority that simply expects us to act and live just as they do.


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11 Feb 2007, 2:25 pm

Those are disturbing all right!


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11 Feb 2007, 2:32 pm

I couldn't care less if they have AS or are NT. Those kind of guys are physcos, I tell you. Give them some medication and calm them down, and hopefully they'll stop destroying lives. I sure do hope that NT people don't persecute us, because they have a few homicidal idiots on their side as well :P Crazy if you ask me. Don't persecute the general population, persecute the offender.



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11 Feb 2007, 2:41 pm

Leporidae wrote:
Don't persecute the general population, persecute the offender.


That's exactly what I think, because the kid who I was talking at the time, I told him that the kid who did the stabbing had a serious problem, that Aspies are not psychos because of what happened. Aspies are peaceful.

But like I said, I don't like the impact, and people need to get a grip on their stereotypical tendecies.



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11 Feb 2007, 3:06 pm

I'm afraid I don't agree that Aspies are peaceful and I think the problem stems from school. Aspies do not deal well with the forced socialisation of schools which leads to bullying and isolation, which leads to resentment and anger, which can therefore lead to violence.

That said, it is down to an individual's nature rather than their Aspie-ness whether they express those feelings as violence.


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11 Feb 2007, 3:36 pm

"I'm afraid I don't agree that Aspies are peaceful and I think the problem stems from school. Aspies do not deal well with the forced socialisation of schools which leads to bullying and isolation, which leads to resentment and anger, which can therefore lead to violence."

You know, with all that said, I guarantee there is another side to the boston stabbing. I dont doubt the kid was tortured by MOST people in his school. Not too mention, who knows what his family life was like.

It disturbs me that so many people will lump us into a catagory such as freaks and psychos.
EVERYONE is different. I dont condone what this kid did, but I've been in situations like that(sorta). And I guess I just had a little more self control(seeing as I didnt stab anyone or anything).

But if you think about it, you can tell 1 of 2 things from the last words he said right after stabbing the kid. "Dont let him die, I dont want him to die"(it was something like that). He must have been just trying to send a message, but you dont send messages with knives!



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11 Feb 2007, 3:53 pm

I think anyone who chooses to post on this subject has some sense of the profound violence that seems to be a part of the condition or at least it seems to be part of the condition to me.

It is not clear whether these feelings are aspie related or whether they are a response to socialisation problems. Perhaps someone can say some thing definitive on this?


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11 Feb 2007, 4:25 pm

neilgr wrote:
I'm afraid I don't agree that Aspies are peaceful


What I meant by that was that we aren't psychos just because of one troubled kid who made a bad choice.



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11 Feb 2007, 4:40 pm

I haven't been violent since I was five and learned I couldn't beat up little boys who teased me just because I had five brothers and knew how to beat up little boys. I seriously think this had more to do with the fact that I had only been around boys up to that point, rather than my own strangeness (which was extremely pronounced back then).

Or, maybe I wasn't violent because I did have five brothers who would have beat the crap out of the kids at school if they had continued to tease me?


That's kind of like a never ending circle, isn't it?

I do know the older I got, say by seven, the less I cared about NTs. I had some NT friends, but most I felt were weird emoters and not very bright. But, I never had any feeling that I was going to rush out and stab one. Good grief. I wouldn't throw my life away on an NT. What would be the point? What was the point of this kid doing this? The only reason I can see AS coming into play at all is if this kid threated the AS kid and it was taken literally. I don't know what might happen then. When I get all freaked out (someone touches me or blocks me in), I leave. Staying and fighting would require touch. I guess I'm trying to picture what could set off such an incidence.



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11 Feb 2007, 4:47 pm

It's *not* AS = violence.
It's Bullying = violence.



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11 Feb 2007, 4:49 pm

I'm so goddamn tired of stereotyping of both Aspies and NTs.



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11 Feb 2007, 4:54 pm

Claradoon wrote:
It's *not* AS = violence.
It's Bullying = violence.


Exactly



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11 Feb 2007, 5:00 pm

Faceless wrote:
Leporidae wrote:
Don't persecute the general population, persecute the offender.


That's exactly what I think, because the kid who I was talking at the time, I told him that the kid who did the stabbing had a serious problem, that Aspies are not psychos because of what happened. Aspies are peaceful.

But like I said, I don't like the impact, and people need to get a grip on their stereotypical tendecies.


Not inherently peaceful. There are peaceful people with Asperger's Syndrome and other conditions on the Autistic Spectrum, and there are peaceful neuro-typicals (as I believe the term is here). Conversely there are violent representatives of both groups. Incidentally, is labelling all non-autistic spectrum people "neuro-typical" accurate? I even read some one refer to a "neurotypical" schizophrenic kinsman. In both cases we are talking about diverse groups of people, with an admittedly larger sample in the "neuro-typical" category.