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05 May 2014, 12:23 am

It seems like a lot of people think I'm smart. I don't think I'm that smart because I have an average IQ.


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05 May 2014, 12:46 am

My IQ is above average but I've always struggled so hard under the surface with things like my memory, figuring out what the heck is going on socially, and I've always been happier just enjoying sensory impressions and movements (stims if you like) than having complex debates (which frankly overwhelm me) that I've never felt very smart.

Even the kids in school who failed tests would come out of them remembering what their answers had been. Me, I'd be able to answer written questions and often get good to very good grades, but it was automated, I didn't always understand what I was doing and quickly forgot the mechanism of solving problems if I didn't keep practising them. I often felt great shame because I was told I'm smart but under the surface I'm struggling so so hard to just cope with everyday tasks.



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05 May 2014, 2:44 am

A long, long time ago, my IQ was very high. I have no idea what it is now. I find that if you talk in a formal way and/or use "big" (or uncommonly used) words, people tend to think you are "smart".

I used to take pride in being intelligent, now I tend to care less. It's often like a social game that would be titled "Who has the highest IQ?". It becomes a hurtful and meaningless charade of who knows the most factual information.



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05 May 2014, 2:49 am

IQ is just a stupid way of deluding smart folks. Ever since 6th grade I've chosen for mine to remain a secret to me. You're obviously smart enough to confront all your problems head on, why worry?


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05 May 2014, 3:20 am

A lot of people think I'm very intelligent simply because computer programming just comes naturally to me. I can also come up with a dozen different ways to solve a problem and that makes people think I'm smart but personally, I don't think I'm that smart. Just different.


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05 May 2014, 4:27 am

ImAnAspie wrote:
A lot of people think I'm very intelligent simply because computer programming just comes naturally to me. I can also come up with a dozen different ways to solve a problem and that makes people think I'm smart but personally, I don't think I'm that smart. Just different.


Intelligence is a methodology. Programming is the only way I know to reduce a methodology to a number, doing so without significant computational aids puts people such as DevilKisses at risk of feeling inadequate. It's completely impossible to approximate billions of neuronal interactions via three digits. Same goes for the Meyer's-Briggs. I find it absolutely moronic and completely demeaning to even try to reduce the psyche to four arbitrary letters.


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05 May 2014, 4:32 am

ever since i started posting on forums people say how smart i am, but i always have a lot of difficulty cogitating things that others my age have an aptitude for. i'm well spoken i guess, but it's like when it comes to any kind of computation, or abstract or philosophical thinking, i get all muddled.



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05 May 2014, 5:20 am

cberg wrote:
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A lot of people think I'm very intelligent simply because computer programming just comes naturally to me. I can also come up with a dozen different ways to solve a problem and that makes people think I'm smart but personally, I don't think I'm that smart. Just different.


Intelligence is a methodology. Programming is the only way I know to reduce a methodology to a number, doing so without significant computational aids puts people such as DevilKisses at risk of feeling inadequate. It's completely impossible to approximate billions of neuronal interactions via three digits. Same goes for the Meyer's-Briggs. I find it absolutely moronic and completely demeaning to even try to reduce the psyche to four arbitrary letters.


How do you know when someone's intelligent?
Well, you don't always. It depends on how many people think they're intelligent.


If all the people where you work think you're intelligent because of what they witness you do, then good luck to people who try to convince them otherwise.
Conversely, if you're intelligent by whatever method you choose to use to judge intelligence but everyone you know thinks you're 'dumb', good luck convincing them otherwise!


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05 May 2014, 8:15 am

I take random IQ tests on the internet and come away with various results, and yet I neither feel any smarter or dumber than before.



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05 May 2014, 9:57 am

bleh12345 wrote:
A long, long time ago, my IQ was very high. I have no idea what it is now. I find that if you talk in a formal way and/or use "big" (or uncommonly used) words, people tend to think you are "smart".


That is my experience as well. Plus, unless I monitor myself, I can be professorial and pedantic. To some that can create an aura of smartness; to most it is just annoying, tiresome, and off-putting.



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05 May 2014, 10:01 am

Usually, I can do really smart stuff quickly if I have the option to take my time, but if I feel rushed then I can seem dumb for a long time.



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05 May 2014, 10:21 am

If you consider only two human attributes such as wealth and IQ, you might derive a saying like, "If you are so smart, why aren't you rich". The question implies that the only barrier to wealth is intelligence. If you consider that rich people like Thomas Edison and Bill Gates were able to garner wealth not so much trough innovation but by harnessing the power of lawyers, then we see that other attributes exist that may not have received full attention.

In addition to ruthlessness, there are many thousands of attributes that contribute to each person's uniqueness. A person that has an ability towards articulation may be taken as more intelligent just because he is more easily able to express what he thinks. A person who is slower to express his thoughts may be taken as a dolt even though he may be more intelligent that the first person.

IQ is an interesting measure because it is a way to estimate how valuable a person may be in the employment slave market. If you are a slave employer, you may want additional information such as how productive the person can be (which is not always correlated to IQ).

If we were to breakdown IQ into component attributes such as perception, the fictional character of Sherlock Holmes has often been presented to us as an example of exceptional perception but at a cost of emotional instability.

Here the fictional world may cross the real world. Those who perceive more (or perceive faster) may find that the processing of those perceptions produce anxieties and uncertainties to such an extent that they can seem inhibitory.

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I find that if you talk in a formal way and/or use "big" (or uncommonly used) words, people tend to think you are "smart".


This is often true.

I have found that even if you do not use "big words", that the use of unfamiliar or difficult concepts will cause those to whom you speak to view you as someone to avoid. The choice then is to tailor speech to fit what is expected and acceptable or to continue and hope to encounter that rare individual that can appreciate what it is you have to say and may reciprocate with something interesting as well.

For the Aspie, the difficulty is compounded. In addition to the social "chill" one experiences as a result of IQ, there is the discomfort most others feel when someone gives deliberate thought to conversation (lack of spontaneity). The possession of detailed knowledge in a specific area often makes others feel uncomfortable. The lack of enthusiasm for the mundane or inconsequential is also considered a "buzz kill".



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05 May 2014, 3:30 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
It seems like a lot of people think I'm smart. I don't think I'm that smart because I have an average IQ.


Maybe you're more thoughtful than others? notice details that others don't and therefore impress people that you noticed? maybe you're insightful? Also, like NTs we don't always have a objective view of ourselves. Average people can be smarter than those with above average intelligence, it just depends on how they use their smarts.

Maybe they just mean you seem very sensible? or pragmatic (adjective, of or pertaining to a practical point of view or practical considerations)?



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05 May 2014, 3:35 pm

If you speak well people tend to think you're smart.



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05 May 2014, 4:03 pm

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If you speak well people tend to think you're smart.


Very true!


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05 May 2014, 10:18 pm

timf wrote:
If you consider only two human attributes such as wealth and IQ, you might derive a saying like, "If you are so smart, why aren't you rich". The question implies that the only barrier to wealth is intelligence. If you consider that rich people like Thomas Edison and Bill Gates were able to garner wealth not so much trough innovation but by harnessing the power of lawyers, then we see that other attributes exist that may not have received full attention.

In addition to ruthlessness, there are many thousands of attributes that contribute to each person's uniqueness. A person that has an ability towards articulation may be taken as more intelligent just because he is more easily able to express what he thinks. A person who is slower to express his thoughts may be taken as a dolt even though he may be more intelligent that the first person.

IQ is an interesting measure because it is a way to estimate how valuable a person may be in the employment slave market. If you are a slave employer, you may want additional information such as how productive the person can be (which is not always correlated to IQ).

If we were to breakdown IQ into component attributes such as perception, the fictional character of Sherlock Holmes has often been presented to us as an example of exceptional perception but at a cost of emotional instability.

Here the fictional world may cross the real world. Those who perceive more (or perceive faster) may find that the processing of those perceptions produce anxieties and uncertainties to such an extent that they can seem inhibitory.

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I find that if you talk in a formal way and/or use "big" (or uncommonly used) words, people tend to think you are "smart".


This is often true.

I have found that even if you do not use "big words", that the use of unfamiliar or difficult concepts will cause those to whom you speak to view you as someone to avoid. The choice then is to tailor speech to fit what is expected and acceptable or to continue and hope to encounter that rare individual that can appreciate what it is you have to say and may reciprocate with something interesting as well.

For the Aspie, the difficulty is compounded. In addition to the social "chill" one experiences as a result of IQ, there is the discomfort most others feel when someone gives deliberate thought to conversation (lack of spontaneity). The possession of detailed knowledge in a specific area often makes others feel uncomfortable. The lack of enthusiasm for the mundane or inconsequential is also considered a "buzz kill".


People have called me a "buzz kill" before because I called people out on their irrational beliefs. People want you to accept what they say without criticism, or you are a "buzz kill" to them.

I enjoy deep conversations, and I really think this is what gets me into "trouble". People often tell me to "shut up" while also demanding I listen to their very boring thoughts on topics like football.