Logical clumsiness versus physical clumsiness?

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aspiebegood
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08 Mar 2007, 12:04 pm

I have always been super clumsy. I was always called 'accident proned' until I was diagnosed. But I am not "logically clumsy" as seems to be epidemic in this world. My questions is: Are most Aspies less logically clumsy than non-Aspies although we are generally more physically clumsy?


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08 Mar 2007, 12:33 pm

logically clumsy?



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08 Mar 2007, 12:35 pm

matt271 wrote:
logically clumsy?
ABG may be asking if having a poor command of the principles of logical thought is more of an NT trait.



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08 Mar 2007, 12:41 pm

I assume that by saying logically clumsy, you are speaking of assuming, not thinking things through, etc...?

I have gotten to be MORE clumsy in that way, but am still far less so than most. I guess some such clumsiness is required in order to look "normal".

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08 Mar 2007, 12:59 pm

I don't know if I would base people with aspergers/autism in just one of thes groups. Some people with AS are extremely clumsy logically while holding good balance, and the other way around for other people with AS. I'm definitely physically clumsy. I've tripped over raisins and grapes, and I don't think a day has gone by int wo years that I haven't tripped over something. I've never really heard the term logically clumsy before, but it sounds like SteveK gave a pretty good definition of it, so I'll just go off of that. :P This one boy I know with AS he thinks things through before he does anything, he rarely assumes things, and he rethinks his thoughts before voicing them, but I always assume things, I never say things in my head first before I say them out loud, so I guess i'm logically clumsy too..



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08 Mar 2007, 1:31 pm

nate_face wrote:

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I've tripped over raisins and grapes, and I don't think a day has gone by int wo years that I haven't tripped over something.

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I never say things in my head first before I say them out loud, so I guess i'm logically clumsy too..


How can you trip over raisins and grapes?



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08 Mar 2007, 2:04 pm

to come from a different point of view...

i'm starting to have significant career doubts as a scientist BECAUSE i over think crap so much that i tend to generate the wrong logic... like i guess it's the classical "losing the whole pic over some details"...

i'm a great problem-solver but at times think my logic would be better-applied in an alternate universe...


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08 Mar 2007, 5:30 pm

abstrusemortal wrote:
nate_face wrote:

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I've tripped over raisins and grapes, and I don't think a day has gone by int wo years that I haven't tripped over something.

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I never say things in my head first before I say them out loud, so I guess i'm logically clumsy too..


How can you trip over raisins and grapes?

i step on them. and then my foot rolls over. and i fall.



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08 Mar 2007, 6:01 pm

Sedaka wrote:
to come from a different point of view...

i'm starting to have significant career doubts as a scientist BECAUSE i over think crap so much that i tend to generate the wrong logic... like i guess it's the classical "losing the whole pic over some details"...

i'm a great problem-solver but at times think my logic would be better-applied in an alternate universe...


Couldn't have said it better myself. I think I have a lot of great ideas, but by the time my brain is done with them (including translating them into words - written or spoken), they rarely make sense anymore. Even to me. :?



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08 Mar 2007, 6:18 pm

aspiebegood wrote:
I have always been super clumsy. I was always called 'accident proned' until I was diagnosed. But I am not "logically clumsy" as seems to be epidemic in this world. My questions is: Are most Aspies less logically clumsy than non-Aspies although we are generally more physically clumsy?


I used to think yes; most Aspies do tend to have a better grasp of logic than the norm.
However, after reading some threads on here, i may have to change my views.
Either, some Aspies are also logically clumsy, or some Aspies around here are NT.
Probably both.

[ Also, i am not really physically clumsy; maybe slightly but certainly not significantly less than norm.]



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08 Mar 2007, 6:44 pm

logically and physically clumsy I act before I think and I trip over my own two feet while i'm doing so.


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09 Mar 2007, 5:12 am

:roll: That's the thing that always confuses me. Aspies are supposed to be more logical yet in my case i tend to come to the wrong conclusion even though I have the right idea in mind (not sure if u understand) I tend to think so much about something that i end up saying the wrong thing. my math teacher in high school always told me that i made stupid mistake, which is why I was never good at math :cry: Do you still qualify as an aspie/autistic if you have such qualities? everything else seems to point to the fact that i am one yet there are some things that don't. I guess it has to do with the fact that the condition consists of an entire spectrum of disorders :roll:



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09 Mar 2007, 5:28 am

Lazenca_x wrote:
:roll: That's the thing that always confuses me. Aspies are supposed to be more logical yet in my case i tend to come to the wrong conclusion even though I have the right idea in mind (not sure if u understand) I tend to think so much about something that i end up saying the wrong thing. my math teacher in high school always told me that i made stupid mistake, which is why I was never good at math :cry: Do you still qualify as an aspie/autistic if you have such qualities? everything else seems to point to the fact that i am one yet there are some things that don't. I guess it has to do with the fact that the condition consists of an entire spectrum of disorders :roll:


Same here!

I think that just because you use logic, doesn't mean that you will arrive to the 'right' conclusion. -even when you know it's worng according to your logic.

-is that logical? :P

Logic: Incorporates the use of information and structuring it to an end result. ... like math. -but if your information is wrong, or your method of calculation is wrong, it doens't matter how many times you go through the logic.

Logical Clumsines: I suffer from this.... I know what I am supposed to do, but may skip a step, or use the wrong step on the wrong data. ,, or believe that my logic that I can use as a relfex action, is always going to hit the ball --just like a baseball player belives that they will hit the ball, but for unforseen circumstances may strike.



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09 Mar 2007, 6:37 am

:P Wow! i never thought about it in that way. thanx a lot.That clarifies a lot of things that have been bugging me over the last few years. It actually makes you think doesn't it - if you are missing a component then you cannot make whatever it is that you are trying to make work even though you know that it should work (not sure if you understand). I'm actually beggining to like this site even more. There are so many useful/helpful people out there who actually get what i am trying to say- which is a first in my case :)



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09 Mar 2007, 6:38 am

:P Wow! i never thought about it in that way. thanx a lot.That clarifies a lot of things that have been bugging me over the last few years. It actually makes you think doesn't it - if you are missing a component then you cannot make whatever it is that you are trying to make work even though you know that it should work (not sure if you understand). I'm actually beggining to like this site even more. There are so many useful/helpful people out there who actually get what i am trying to say- which is a first in my case :)



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09 Mar 2007, 6:40 am

:P Wow! i never thought about it in that way. thanx a lot.That clarifies a lot of things that have been bugging me over the last few years. It actually makes you think doesn't it - if you are missing a component then you cannot make whatever it is that you are trying to make work even though you know that it should work (not sure if you understand). I'm actually beggining to like this site even more. There are so many useful/helpful people out there who actually get what i am trying to say- which is a first in my case :)