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29 Sep 2015, 4:11 pm

They're always complaining about being lonely and upset about life but say they rather be like that over a cure. They say it defines them as a person, how do you know? What if your intelligence isn't the result of Autism but you spending more time learning about what you want because that's all we have time to do.

I'm telling you, fitting in is a hell of a better experience in life than always being isolated or autistic. My symptoms come in patterns and seem to get worse every year..



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29 Sep 2015, 4:14 pm

I manage to fit in somewhat when I want to, and I do value some of the strengths ASD gives me. So what's there to cure? I wouldn't care to be a lab rat and I neither like nor trust doctors.


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29 Sep 2015, 4:29 pm

I've lived my life with autism, I'm 34. I know who I am, I know what my capabilities are and I'm actually glad I don't "fit" with the rotting cesspool known as human society. To say I need "cured" is an insult. I'd rather not be a mindless drone running around just "doing what I'm told" without introspection on what the demands actually entail and what the results will be. To me, when you say cure you might as well tell me to be a vegetable and not think.



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29 Sep 2015, 4:35 pm

I prefer hanging around other people who don't particularly fit into society. Also somehow I feel brain surgery or drugs designed to redesign my neurology, or genetic modification have a better chance of going wrong than making me 'normal' anyways.


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29 Sep 2015, 4:36 pm

NTs aren't mindless drones. :roll:

I don't think a cure would fix everything. NTs still face a lot of problems. However I'd like a cure, if such a thing were possible and safe.



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29 Sep 2015, 4:42 pm

iliketrees wrote:
NTs aren't mindless drones. :roll:

I don't think a cure would fix everything. NTs still face a lot of problems. However I'd like a cure, if such a thing were possible and safe.


Of course it's a generalization, would it make you feel better if I said "most"? --I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on.



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29 Sep 2015, 4:44 pm

I enjoy my personality and who I am as a person. Most people like my personality anyway because they know I am being real and honest and not giving them artificial "NT" answers. I also appreciate my ability to learn and systematize things- this has often put me ahead of all other colleagues at work and while I was in school.

I don't think I am that different to an NT, although I do not try to fit into the mold. I do like social interaction with others who I find interesting and worthwhile to get to know. Therefore, I only get to know a few people really well- but I prefer it that way.



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29 Sep 2015, 5:01 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
iliketrees wrote:
NTs aren't mindless drones. :roll:

I don't think a cure would fix everything. NTs still face a lot of problems. However I'd like a cure, if such a thing were possible and safe.


Of course it's a generalization, would it make you feel better if I said "most"? --I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on.

No, it would not. It'd be like saying most autistics are robots with no personality.

I was raised by NTs and a lot of the things I love were made by NTs. I don't appreciate calling, indirectly, my parents mindless drones because of their neurological status.



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29 Sep 2015, 5:01 pm

BrainPower101 wrote:
They're always complaining about being lonely and upset about life
I personally love solitude - which I see as distinct from loneliness - and I actively seek out what could be called 'isolation'. Therefore, there's no complaining from me on being lonely.


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What if your intelligence isn't the result of Autism but you spending more time learning about what you want because that's all we have time to do.
Our intelligence - like autism - is part of who we are. They can't be separated. However, it could be argued that for some, a very systematic way of thinking is the product of autistic traits - and this way of thinking leads to advances in intelligence beyond the mean. Therefore part of our intelligence could be the product of our autism.

This is tricky to answer though as you'd have to define intelligence - or at least what you mean when you use the term.


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I'm telling you, fitting in is a hell of a better experience in life than always being isolated or autistic.
I've tried 'fitting in'. It's fun for a season - then becomes very, very tiring. Ask anyone here and they'll probably tell you how it's near-impossible to try to act like something you're not.

And why should we act like we're something we're not? I certainly have no shame over who or what I am.


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My symptoms come in patterns and seem to get worse every year..
Is this because you're trying to.... fit in?

I don't understand the end of your post - you're basically saying that we should just try to 'fit in' - then saying you're getting worse. Shouldn't our reply be 'give yourself a shake and just go and fit in somewhere'.

Even on that subject - everything is a niche. So, by fitting in: fitting into what?



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29 Sep 2015, 5:05 pm

iliketrees wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
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NTs aren't mindless drones. :roll:

I don't think a cure would fix everything. NTs still face a lot of problems. However I'd like a cure, if such a thing were possible and safe.


Of course it's a generalization, would it make you feel better if I said "most"? --I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on.

No, it would not. It'd be like saying most autistics are robots with no personality.

I was raised by NTs and a lot of the things I love were made by NTs. I don't appreciate calling, indirectly, my parents mindless drones because of their neurological status.


Ok then, the vast majority aside from those that made things you like and your parents and, hell I'll even throw in your maternal grandparents for free. :wink: Problem solved.



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29 Sep 2015, 5:08 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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Aristophanes wrote:
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NTs aren't mindless drones. :roll:

I don't think a cure would fix everything. NTs still face a lot of problems. However I'd like a cure, if such a thing were possible and safe.


Of course it's a generalization, would it make you feel better if I said "most"? --I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on.

No, it would not. It'd be like saying most autistics are robots with no personality.

I was raised by NTs and a lot of the things I love were made by NTs. I don't appreciate calling, indirectly, my parents mindless drones because of their neurological status.


Ok then, the vast majority aside from those that made things you like and your parents and, hell I'll even throw in your maternal grandparents for free. :wink: Problem solved.

:roll: Why the NT hatred?



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29 Sep 2015, 5:10 pm

Would I like to improve my executive function so I could actually get things done? You bet I would!

So far, though, I don't see any treatments that come without side effects.


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29 Sep 2015, 5:11 pm

iliketrees wrote:
:roll: Why the NT hatred?

Who said anything about hatred? Also, you brought up NT not me-- there are autistics that are just as brainwashed as NT's, just far, far less of them.



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29 Sep 2015, 5:21 pm

When I said that NTs aren't mindless drones (you didn't specifically say NTs but it was implied and didn't correct me the first few times I said NTs) you said in response "I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on". Doesn't seem to be the sort of comment anyone would make unless they hated NTs.



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29 Sep 2015, 5:25 pm

iliketrees wrote:
When I said that NTs aren't mindless drones (you didn't specifically say NTs but it was implied and didn't correct me the first few times I said NTs) you said in response "I'm sure there's two are three that aren't complete apes with clothes on". Doesn't seem to be the sort of comment anyone would make unless they hated NTs.

I have a low opinion of society (of which NT's are the vast majority), that doesn't mean I hate them.



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29 Sep 2015, 6:17 pm

Becoming NT isn't equal to success or comfort. I've seen a lot of them, and most of them get no chance of moving up. Not all NTs get jobs, go to parties, and have friends.

It's the culture that needs fixing.
The way they pressure people (regardless if they're NT or not) can either induce general tolerance or intolerance. Sadly the reality is more in the latter in either parties mostly by misunderstanding each other's "contexts".


As how I end up disliking NTs is just like the reason why most people hate mathematics; They're hard to understand, and HAVE to understand it.


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