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09 Feb 2016, 2:34 am

This is an interesting list of ways to spot a liar. The issue, though, is a lot of people on the spectrum may tip of these ways:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradb ... 1f59d569f6

The ones I thought were something ASD people did were:

- They repeat themselves and provide too much detail

It's very common for people on the spectrum to provide a lot of detail to what we say.

- Their words and body language don’t match

The DSM-5 says that having "poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication" is a feature of ASD.

So this is interesting. ASD people may be thought of as liars because of some of our tendencies in communication. The problem, of course, is that if someone thinks you're lying, they won't tell you outright so you can defend yourself; instead, they will just kinda disregard what you say while pretending to regard it. And this is all the while you think you're communicating...


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09 Feb 2016, 3:20 am

From what I've read, ( I actually spent a lot of time researching this at one time) there really are no fool-proof ways of telling whether or not someone is lying. Even those trained to detect lying aren't necessarily going to be able to tell all of the time.

Supposedly it's easiest to tell if one knows the person, and what his or her normal behavior is like. Any behavior out of the ordinary can be an indication that person is lying.

Polygraph tests aren't even 100 percent accurate. Perhaps looking at brain activity is the only real way to tell.

Sometimes I feel self-conscious because I know that my awkward responses seem like lying at times, when I am actually telling the truth. I do include too many details, seem nervous, and I don't look others in the eye.



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09 Feb 2016, 3:29 am

I told an online friend the Mark Twain saying, if you always tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said. Which works best for me since I have such a bad memory. But he told me I repeat myself a lot, which is considered an indication of lying. I thought that was ionic.



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09 Feb 2016, 11:31 am

beneficii wrote:

- They repeat themselves and provide too much detail

It's very common for people on the spectrum to provide a lot of detail to what we say.

I don't know where they get some of their ideas, I'm usually suspicious of anybody who can't back up their assertions.



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09 Feb 2016, 12:54 pm

Also if you come across as 'too rehearsed', that's a sign of lying.

So here's the solution: don't rehearse, just go in unprepared, babble something incoherently while trying to look them in the eye, and be careful to keep it as vague as possible, without details. If your first attempt comes out wrong - stick with it, rather than risk repeating yourself. (I'd be lucky if anyone understood what I was trying to say, much less believed me!)



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09 Feb 2016, 1:13 pm

Liars usually repeat themselves in the same words, since the content of the words didn't happen.
People repeating themselves telling the truth repeat the content in different words or focus on different aspects of the real events that occurred.
Some autistic people may have a tendencey to repeat in the same words, but they do that often for all kinds of truthful content, not like talking normally most of the time and repeating specific lies in the same words that liars do.
Also, people telling the truth can answer questions about the events, but liars will try to avoid answering, or they will answer using the same words they always say about that topic.


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09 Feb 2016, 1:18 pm

I hate it when people think I'm lying. A lot of time people "want" me to lie. I end up with a dumb smirk even if I'm telling the absolute truth. The funny thing is I often get away with lying to those same people when they're not expecting me to lie.


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09 Feb 2016, 1:24 pm

If I stuttered and avoided eye contact with my dad, he would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face (I think it's called "B***h-Slapping"?).

If I looked him in the eye and calmly explained everything, my dad would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face.

Once someone has already decided that you are going to lie, they will use anything you say or do as "evidence" against you, and all of the polygraph machines and magazine articles are just there to support their decision.



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09 Feb 2016, 1:42 pm

Ashariel wrote:
Also if you come across as 'too rehearsed', that's a sign of lying.

So here's the solution: don't rehearse, just go in unprepared, babble something incoherently while trying to look them in the eye, and be careful to keep it as vague as possible, without details. If your first attempt comes out wrong - stick with it, rather than risk repeating yourself.

And wear a suit, like most people suddenly do when they are summonsed to court. The venerable judiciary and the twelve good men and true will then realise your absolute sincerity. Pass me another planet, this one is broken.



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09 Feb 2016, 5:25 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
beneficii wrote:

- They repeat themselves and provide too much detail

It's very common for people on the spectrum to provide a lot of detail to what we say.

I don't know where they get some of their ideas, I'm usually suspicious of anybody who can't back up their assertions.

Same here. Flawed definition of lying. I'm often repeating myself and accused of using too much detail and I always tell the truth.



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09 Feb 2016, 5:44 pm

Fnord wrote:
If I stuttered and avoided eye contact with my dad, he would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face (I think it's called "B***h-Slapping"?).

If I looked him in the eye and calmly explained everything, my dad would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face.


I feel pity for you. He shouldn't have done that. I hope you're better now, though.


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09 Feb 2016, 7:03 pm

progaspie wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
beneficii wrote:

- They repeat themselves and provide too much detail

It's very common for people on the spectrum to provide a lot of detail to what we say.

I don't know where they get some of their ideas, I'm usually suspicious of anybody who can't back up their assertions.

Same here. Flawed definition of lying. I'm often repeating myself and accused of using too much detail and I always tell the truth.

I gather that in the USA the courts even accept polygraph results, though the reliability of polygraphs ain't good.



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09 Feb 2016, 7:06 pm

The only way I can detect a liar are the inconsistencies. That takes a while though.

The 'too much detail' is also an indicator of being argumentative. So, kinda doomed on that front here no matter what I do at this time.


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09 Feb 2016, 7:22 pm

PorridgeGuy wrote:
Fnord wrote:
If I stuttered and avoided eye contact with my dad, he would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face (I think it's called "B***h-Slapping"). If I looked him in the eye and calmly explained everything, my dad would accuse me of lying, and I'd feel the back of his hand across my face.
I feel pity for you. He shouldn't have done that. I hope you're better now, though.
Oh, i'm fine now. He's dead though, and not in any position to do do anything about it when I tell the truth ... about him!

But that really wasn't my point, which was once someone has decided that you are lying, every act, every word, every gesture, and just everything about you is to them proof positive that you are a shite-sucking liar!

Even worse is when they accuse you of doing something that you haven't even thought of doing, and then they harass you until you give them something that they can call a "confession" so that they can justify whatever physical and verbal abuse they inflict upon you.

No, I'm not referring to the police. I'm referring to parents, (ex-)spouses, employers, neighbors, and anyone looking to make trouble for you.

It happens. That's why I pass along my lawyers' advice, which is: "Deny everything, even if caught in the act!" They're going to think you're lying anyway.



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09 Feb 2016, 7:25 pm

Another way to spot a liar might be if they embellish their stories frequently with more events.
Truth tellers may talk about the same events many times, but they don't add more events to the original events.
In re-telling, they may focus on different aspects of the same old events.
Liars who never experienced the events may add more and more and more, since they cannot relive the fake events to notice new aspects over time.


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09 Feb 2016, 7:31 pm

Do you have a family now? It sounds like you are a bit embittered towards the idea.


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