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24 Jul 2018, 2:46 pm

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... icrobiome/

Told ya so 5 years ago when I figured it out.


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24 Jul 2018, 2:55 pm

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http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/autism-could-be-linked-to-mothers-gut-microbiome/

Told ya so 5 years ago when I figured it out.


You know, you may be on to something.



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24 Jul 2018, 3:01 pm

Actually read the totality of the article.

It states that the findings are only "preliminary," and that it might not translate to "human pregnancies." The research was done on mice.

If it stated, conclusively, that gut dysphoria is the sole, conclusive cause for autism, then we'd be "on to something."

Many other studies have explored this hypothesis. And many have "found something."

But all which I have read stated, in essence, that the gut dysphoria hypothesis is "worthy of further study."

But a conclusive and sole cause of autism? Nope.

Who knows? Maybe this could be ONE of the MANY causes of autism.

But a groundbreaking finding? Nope.



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24 Jul 2018, 3:24 pm

I'm not denying that gut dysphoria could, possibly, be one of the causes of autism.

I'm not denying that a good diet could alleviate symptoms of autism at times. Or that maybe, in the far future, a fecal transplant might be an efficacious intervention.

What I'm saying-----is that this is not the ONE AND ONLY CAUSE of autism, and that it would be dangerous to rely on this solely. And deny and not study other causation.

What works for one autistic person might not work for another.



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24 Jul 2018, 3:46 pm

Kraftie, I respect your skepticism.. but according to the stats on digestive issues in ASD people as well as salicylate acid sensitivity, both at ~70%, gut dysbiosis is the most probable cause of 70%+ of ASD cases & all of this info that’s now coming out in mainstream science news & medical studies 100% supports how & why my treatment protocol works to alleviate much of my ASD symptoms.

I’ve been tellin’ y’all the God’s honest truth about all of this for 5+ years now.

But feel free to wait another 5-10 years for someone else to tell ya all ya like - it’s your life to spend as you wish. 8)


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25 Jul 2018, 1:57 am

goldfish21 wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/autism-could-be-linked-to-mothers-gut-microbiome/

Told ya so 5 years ago when I figured it out.


Incessantly in countless (mostly locked) threads.

The mods said they're going to start cracking down on those spamming essentially the same thread over and over.



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25 Jul 2018, 2:34 am

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/autism-could-be-linked-to-mothers-gut-microbiome/

Told ya so 5 years ago when I figured it out.


Incessantly in countless (mostly locked) threads.

The mods said they're going to start cracking down on those spamming essentially the same thread over and over.


If you’re not interested in discussing the cause of, and treatment for, AS, then don’t reply to threads on the topic & leave the conversation to those who want to discuss it. Simple as that.


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25 Jul 2018, 2:56 am

ofcourse
the gut masters the brain, the gut wants to reproduce,
the rest is furniture, the house of the 'serpent'
not particularly the a-cause but any cause
some old connections with gutparasites have been found developpementally necessairy for the immunesystem
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25 Jul 2018, 12:53 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/autism-could-be-linked-to-mothers-gut-microbiome/

Told ya so 5 years ago when I figured it out.


You know, you may be on to something.


:lol: Ya think? :?

Cube, my friend, I know I am. It’s how I’ve been able to work, play, and socialize better than ever for the last 5 years and counting.

This second life I’m living isn’t just for me; it’s for any AS person that wants it for themselves.

Aside: I just had a convo with a big burly tower crane builder who’s son is autistic. He mentioned the skyrocketing autism rates.. I said at least we now know what causes it. Oh, yeah, what’s that? He says.. me: gut dysbiosis. Him: my son is on all kinds of enzymes and probiotics and it’s made a world of differnce in his functioning levels. We chatted more and are going to exchange phone numbers.

Also, the first aid attendant here’s girlfriend is an ASD behavioural intervention specialist. We had a brief chat, too, and I let him know about my friend’s infant son who displayed ASD signs after mass antibiotics and I intervened with probiotics and now he’s a normally developed 6 1/2 year old boy. 8)

These are exciting times for goldfish, as if these conversations are happening on construction sites here, they’re happening elsewhere, and slowly but surely more autistic people will live better lives through medicine. 8)


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25 Jul 2018, 1:15 pm

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"The microbiome is really important to the calibration of how the offspring's immune system is going to respond to an infection or injury or stress."

As for autism, this link may come down to a particular molecule called interleukin-17a (or IL-17a), which is produced by the immune system. The molecule has already been associated with conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis, and has been shown to serve an important role in preventing infections, notably those of the fungal kind. Importantly, it can also influence the way the brain develops in the womb.


This part was interesting for me.

My mom has MS, and, on a recent medical appointment, the doctor told me he suspected I might have an undiagnosed immune disorder.


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25 Jul 2018, 3:34 pm

B19 spoke about some sort of neurotransmitter that's been linked to some sort of autoimmune disorder. I don't recall the name of it at the moment.

She has tangible links/studies related to that neurotransmitter.



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25 Jul 2018, 3:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
B19 spoke about some sort of neurotransmitter that's been linked to some sort of autoimmune disorder. I don't recall the name of it at the moment.

She has tangible links/studies related to that neurotransmitter.


GABA.

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Dopamine is a neurotransmitter involved in controlling movement and posture. ... GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) is an inhibitory neurotransmitter that is very widely distributed in the neurons of the cortex. GABA contributes to motor control, vision, and many other cortical functions. It also regulates anxiety.


I’ve never taken GABA supplements and thus cannot speak to its efficacy, but B19 has and speaks highly of it as a treatment for anxiety.


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26 Jul 2018, 1:57 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Actually read the totality of the article.

It states that the findings are only "preliminary," and that it might not translate to "human pregnancies." The research was done on mice.

If it stated, conclusively, that gut dysphoria is the sole, conclusive cause for autism, then we'd be "on to something."

Many other studies have explored this hypothesis. And many have "found something."

But all which I have read stated, in essence, that the gut dysphoria hypothesis is "worthy of further study."

But a conclusive and sole cause of autism? Nope.

Who knows? Maybe this could be ONE of the MANY causes of autism.

But a groundbreaking finding? Nope.


We've seen from AsPartOfMe's posts that a great many things are linked to causing autism and also there are a great many proposed treatments. Quite a great many studies being conducted.

There's a current thread about CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). CBT worked wonders for me. It was 100% successful.

Now should I start insisting that since CBT worked so well for me, that it should work as well for most everyone else? And keep telling people who post about various problems that they wouldn't have them, if they just got CBT, because it worked so well for me?

I bet I can post a lot of proof about the benefits of CBT. And I can post my documented before CBT and after CBT results. So forth and so on. But would that make me right? Or give me any expertise whatsoever on how it will affect others? And would I not just end up being annoying and obsessive in my relentless crusade to get people to try CBT?

For 5 years I've been saying how great CBT worked for me!



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26 Jul 2018, 8:51 am

EzraS wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Actually read the totality of the article.

It states that the findings are only "preliminary," and that it might not translate to "human pregnancies." The research was done on mice.

If it stated, conclusively, that gut dysphoria is the sole, conclusive cause for autism, then we'd be "on to something."

Many other studies have explored this hypothesis. And many have "found something."

But all which I have read stated, in essence, that the gut dysphoria hypothesis is "worthy of further study."

But a conclusive and sole cause of autism? Nope.

Who knows? Maybe this could be ONE of the MANY causes of autism.

But a groundbreaking finding? Nope.


We've seen from AsPartOfMe's posts that a great many things are linked to causing autism and also there are a great many proposed treatments. Quite a great many studies being conducted.

There's a current thread about CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy). CBT worked wonders for me. It was 100% successful.

Now should I start insisting that since CBT worked so well for me, that it should work as well for most everyone else? And keep telling people who post about various problems that they wouldn't have them, if they just got CBT, because it worked so well for me?

I bet I can post a lot of proof about the benefits of CBT. And I can post my documented before CBT and after CBT results. So forth and so on. But would that make me right? Or give me any expertise whatsoever on how it will affect others? And would I not just end up being annoying and obsessive in my relentless crusade to get people to try CBT?

For 5 years I've been saying how great CBT worked for me!


I’m still perplexed as to what your motivations are to dissuade AS people from learning what causes their symptoms and how they can treat and heal themselves in order to live fuller, happier, healthier, lives. It literally makes Zero sense to me.


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26 Jul 2018, 8:57 am

All Ezra was saying here is that there are many theories pertaining to the treatment of autism out there, and many practical treatments, too.

Ezra benefited from CBT. He's telling us that he benefited. But he isn't telling people that things would be hopeless if they didn't try CBT. He knows there are people who feel they wouldn't benefit from CBT.

I don't feel he wants to dissuade people from seeking treatment for autism.

Let's see what happens over the next 5-10 years. Let's see if this "gut dysphoria" notion takes hold and becomes dominant.

If it so happens that this occurs, I'd be happy.



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26 Jul 2018, 9:02 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
All Ezra was saying here is that there are many theories pertaining to the treatment of autism out there, and many practical treatments, too.

Ezra benefited from CBT. He's telling us that he benefited. But he isn't telling people that things would be hopeless if they didn't try CBT. He knows there are people who feel they wouldn't benefit from CBT.

I don't feel he wants to dissuade people from seeking treatment for autism.

Let's see what happens over the next 5-10 years. Let's see if this "gut dysphoria" notion takes hold and becomes dominant.


Have I ever said people are hopeless without treating their gut dysbiosis? No. Never.

I have said they can dramatically improve their lives if they did, instead of prolonging their own suffering and complaining endlessly about ASD symptoms negatively impacting their lives.

It will, kraftie, in time, it will. I’d have simply preferred that more people were able to be happier sooner is all - and that is, and always has been, my motivation for sharing a what I learned and did 5+ years ago with the group I’d come to know while my own symptoms constrained me from living my life; so it could help them as it did & does me.


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