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What do you consider the term to mean?
Someone without autism. 16%  16%  [ 5 ]
A person with a typical neurotype (excluding those with learning disabilities and such). 78%  78%  [ 25 ]
Whatever the conversation requires. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Something else. 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 32

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18 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm

I read the thread "You know You're NT When" and started to think about this. You can change your vote later if you want to.


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18 Jun 2019, 7:24 pm

I would tend to pick the second choice.



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18 Jun 2019, 7:34 pm

Hmm... three vague options and one defined option ... which to choose ... which to choose ...



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18 Jun 2019, 7:39 pm

To me neurotypical means people wired "normally", in other words aren't born with any developmental delays that will always affect them in some way throughout their lives. So that (non-NT) includes downs syndrome, fragile-X syndrome, intellectual disabilities, autism, ADHD, and some others that I don't know much about. There may seem a lot of mental disabilities but no matter how many I could add, the majority of the population still are neurotypicals and aren't challenged by a mental disability that affects their daily lives.


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18 Jun 2019, 7:44 pm

Didn't know what it meant until I came here.



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18 Jun 2019, 8:41 pm

I think it is applied to those who appear socially adept. As well as appearing adept in other areas such as school, the workplace, managing their lives and so on.

The whole title of that thread is, You May Be NT (Whatever it means) If...

The whatever it means is the key part of the title to me because I don't think there's any clear definition.



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18 Jun 2019, 8:55 pm

I put whatever it means in the title because I couldnt remember what NT means when I wrote it.



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18 Jun 2019, 9:11 pm

It's used as a pejorative in many of not most cases. You'll notice in that thread a lot of the definitions are derogatory. A lot of them are probably based on unpleasant experiences the person has had with those around them.

And also in the "you might be autistic if' thread there is that theme. I'm not going to go through the thing but I would expect there to be statements along the lines of "if you're creative and everyone else is an idiot".

I think in many cases there's a lot of misanthropy that goes along with talking about "NTs".



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18 Jun 2019, 9:29 pm

Neurotypical.

To me, it means an allistic with no learning disabilities and/or in-born neurological conditions.
To me NT doesn't necessarily mean not 'broken', not 'sick', not even 'passing' or 'conforming' or heck 'social adept'. NT doesn't necessarily mean not having any personality or functioning issues either.

Any NT could've ended up having similar circumstances as any unlucky kinds of ND. You can be an NT with atypical experiences and circumstances.
NT is not anymore 'normal' than ND; there's no real definition of 'normal' other than what it is supposedly 'natural' instead of the usual definition of 'common' or 'typical'. NT is not anymore 'human' than ND nor ND is less 'human' than NT.


It is 'typical' for NTs for not having to experience what NDs have to get through.
Saying it is 'normal' for NTs for not having to consider the experiences of what NDs have to get through isn't right though.

Yet saying it is 'normal' for close-minded or unenlightened NTs -- be it out of uncertainty or fear of unknown -- for not having to consider the experiences of what NDs have to get through is another.
I could say the same with another way around;
Saying it is 'normal' for close-minded or unenlightened NDs -- be it out of bitterness, resentment, envy, etc. whatever the circumstances -- for not having to consider the experiences of what NTs have to get through beyond the notion of that NTs have 'more' or 'less' than another.

It is, however, 'typical' for humans do think of such, either take it for granted or get tired of it. And it is 'normal' for humans to not know it all.


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18 Jun 2019, 11:30 pm

In my household we call my husband a neurotypical and he has dyslexia and probably ADHD, so if I'm honest that's how I use it, but I do understand it has a more specific application that's used by more people.


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19 Jun 2019, 1:55 am

Personally it seems to make more sense to use an unambiguous term like non-autistic, rather than inventing ambitious terms like neurotypical, neurodiverse, alltistic etc.



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19 Jun 2019, 2:18 am

EzraS wrote:
Personally it seems to make more sense to use an unambiguous term like non-autistic, rather than inventing ambitious terms like neurotypical, neurodiverse, alltistic etc.

Using our own terminology helps us create a sense of community, with a shared sense of our own point of view that is different from the way things are seen by NT's and other allistics.

Of course there's a lot more to creating a real community/subculture, rather than just a sense of community, but having a sense of community is an important start.


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19 Jun 2019, 2:35 am

Quote:
A person with a typical neurotype (excluding those with learning disabilities and such)


I don't understand why this is the top reply, though I might misunderstand. It seems to say people with typical neurotypes are excluded from being neurotypical if they have a "learning disability." So, it's impossible for an NT to have a learning disability?

If a person understands all social cues naturally, finds sociability fun and easy, doesn't have any executive functioning problems, but is struggling in math class, they're excluded from being NT?



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19 Jun 2019, 2:35 am

In simple terms NT is whoever is in charge...and makes the rules and dictates social norms + anybody who is able to follow the above...



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19 Jun 2019, 2:45 am

cyberdad wrote:
In simple terms NT is whoever is in charge...and makes the rules and dictates social norms + anybody who is able to follow the above...


Well said. Very well said.

I've been labeled some sort of monster for saying the same. But you spelled it out quite accurately and succinctly.



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19 Jun 2019, 3:35 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
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A person with a typical neurotype (excluding those with learning disabilities and such)


I don't understand why this is the top reply, though I might misunderstand. It seems to say people with typical neurotypes are excluded from being neurotypical if they have a "learning disability." So, it's impossible for an NT to have a learning disability?

If a person understands all social cues naturally, finds sociability fun and easy, doesn't have any executive functioning problems, but is struggling in math class, they're excluded from being NT?


No, they are still NT.

It's so difficult to explain, but I do know who is considered NT and who isn't. NTs aren't all the same, but an individual needs certain traits/symptoms grouped together to make up a disorder to be considered non-NT, while some conditions like general anxiety can allow a person to slip through the cracks and still be NT. I suppose it's because anxiety and depression are common enough to make a human not NT, as is someone who struggles with math. I'm not sure about things like Bipolar though, being so I don't know much about it.

My friend with Fragile-X syndrome is a good example that not all allistics are NT. She doesn't have autism with it, but she still struggles in areas that most people take for granted. She has always struggled with making friends, has trouble making eye contact, doesn't like loud noises, has trouble with relationships, has never moved out of her parents house and has been unemployed for 10 years even though she's been looking for work. So probably a lot of Aspies here can relate to her, and to me she isn't an NT. Also children with Fragile-X are known to show behaviours similar to autism and ADHD, like hand flapping, lack of eye contact and hyperactivity. Some have intellectual disabilities too, although my friend is lucky enough to be rather average or maybe a little below average intelligence but not enough to be considered mentally 'ret*d'.

Even though the nature of non-autism disabilities aren't necessarily about being socially inept, I still believe that people with intellectual disability (in other words mental retardation) or downs syndrome or whatever, can still be prone to social rejection and feel misunderstood by society. Their disabling symptoms can lead to social awkwardness or behavioural issues because you still need a certain amount of intellect and certain behaviours to socially function normally. I'm not saying all social skills are made up of intellect, as autistic people with high IQs are usually socially inept, but you know what I mean.


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