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05 Nov 2023, 10:07 am

Well the autistic people I know anyway.

You can say to an autistic person:

--What are the advantages and disadvantages of (a website, product, item etc)? And we will research it and give you a thorough answer.

--Where can a find the best (website, product, item etc) for my needs? And we will research and find it for you.

--What's the best way to (do something?) And we will find it.

And similar questions to those.

NTs should be pleased that we have these skills and thank us, not make fun. Me and my autistic friends certainly do these helpful things for each other.


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05 Nov 2023, 6:23 pm

This is true, it usually doesn't matter what the product is either they don't necessarily have to align with our own personal use.

One time a girl friend was having trouble with make-up, foundation specifically. She was very detailed about her problem to where I could recommend alternative products after a weekend of research.

I really enjoy helping people this way, as I am able to put my skills to use for the benefit of my peers.



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06 Nov 2023, 4:04 am

jamie0.0 wrote:
This is true, it usually doesn't matter what the product is either they don't necessarily have to align with our own personal use.

One time a girl friend was having trouble with make-up, foundation specifically. She was very detailed about her problem to where I could recommend alternative products after a weekend of research.

I really enjoy helping people this way, as I am able to put my skills to use for the benefit of my peers.


That is really nice of you to research the foundation for her.

Yes I love helping people like that too. But I often I get mocked for it though, people say 'I didn't ask for a review of all products' and laugh at me. So I don't help them again.

But when it goes well, people appreciate me.


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06 Nov 2023, 4:41 am

KitLily wrote:
jamie0.0 wrote:
This is true, it usually doesn't matter what the product is either they don't necessarily have to align with our own personal use.

One time a girl friend was having trouble with make-up, foundation specifically. She was very detailed about her problem to where I could recommend alternative products after a weekend of research.

I really enjoy helping people this way, as I am able to put my skills to use for the benefit of my peers.


That is really nice of you to research the foundation for her.

Yes I love helping people like that too. But I often I get mocked for it though, people say 'I didn't ask for a review of all products' and laugh at me. So I don't help them again.

But when it goes well, people appreciate me.


Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!



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06 Nov 2023, 10:39 am

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Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!


I think you could be right! It may be harder for men to give information because it threatens other men somehow and can be seen as mansplaining to women.

Although I'm often accused of giving too much information to men and women :roll: I genuinely think NT brains can't hold as much information as ND brains. They switch off when we give them a lot of information, about any subject, and we have to let it dripfeed out to them.

You know like Sheldon Cooper says he remembers absolutely everything that happened in his life? I sometimes feel like that, although mine is more how to do things and how I felt about things.

However, my brain switches off at too much irrelevant information. e.g. my estate agent woffles on about irrelevant stuff for half an hour before we get to the important house-selling information. I can more or less hear my brain going 'irrelevant! irrelevant!' like a siren while she is woffling on. :lol:

I reckon NTs think they are making us feel comfortable by talking about random stuff but I'm just not listening.


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06 Nov 2023, 11:57 am

KitLily wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!


I think you could be right! It may be harder for men to give information because it threatens other men somehow and can be seen as mansplaining to women.

Although I'm often accused of giving too much information to men and women :roll: I genuinely think NT brains can't hold as much information as ND brains. They switch off when we give them a lot of information, about any subject, and we have to let it dripfeed out to them.

You know like Sheldon Cooper says he remembers absolutely everything that happened in his life? I sometimes feel like that, although mine is more how to do things and how I felt about things.

However, my brain switches off at too much irrelevant information. e.g. my estate agent woffles on about irrelevant stuff for half an hour before we get to the important house-selling information. I can more or less hear my brain going 'irrelevant! irrelevant!' like a siren while she is woffling on. :lol:

I reckon NTs think they are making us feel comfortable by talking about random stuff but I'm just not listening.


I haven't gotten an official diagnosis, but when I read other folks here describing their brains I do nothing but nod in understanding! :D



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06 Nov 2023, 12:33 pm

KitLily wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!


I think you could be right! It may be harder for men to give information because it threatens other men somehow and can be seen as mansplaining to women.

Although I'm often accused of giving too much information to men and women :roll: I genuinely think NT brains can't hold as much information as ND brains. They switch off when we give them a lot of information, about any subject, and we have to let it dripfeed out to them.

You know like Sheldon Cooper says he remembers absolutely everything that happened in his life? I sometimes feel like that, although mine is more how to do things and how I felt about things.

However, my brain switches off at too much irrelevant information. e.g. my estate agent woffles on about irrelevant stuff for half an hour before we get to the important house-selling information. I can more or less hear my brain going 'irrelevant! irrelevant!' like a siren while she is woffling on. :lol:

I reckon NTs think they are making us feel comfortable by talking about random stuff but I'm just not listening.



Not sure that my brain holds more info (If I am on the spectrum as will likely find out soon), but rather my brain holds a fair bit of detailed information. I can go into great depth, but my general knowledge is poor as a trade-off.
I have often been told "How come you didn't know that?" when it comes to something "Everyone knows!" (Well I didn't! :D ), but information on things that mean nothing to others I can go way deep into if it involves trains or bicycles or something decent like that!



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06 Nov 2023, 8:02 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
KitLily wrote:
jamie0.0 wrote:
This is true, it usually doesn't matter what the product is either they don't necessarily have to align with our own personal use.

One time a girl friend was having trouble with make-up, foundation specifically. She was very detailed about her problem to where I could recommend alternative products after a weekend of research.

I really enjoy helping people this way, as I am able to put my skills to use for the benefit of my peers.


That is really nice of you to research the foundation for her.

Yes I love helping people like that too. But I often I get mocked for it though, people say 'I didn't ask for a review of all products' and laugh at me. So I don't help them again.

But when it goes well, people appreciate me.


Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!


I may be wrong, but I find it best to read my audience. In my example I was able to go into detail about the product because I knew she loved make-up,
If a guy had asked me to recommend a gaming computer and he was really into gaming, I would have been able to provide as much detail
Grandpa Steve on the other hand, wants a computer. He knows nothing of computers and just want something to Skype with the grandkids. He most likely would not be interested in 101 facts about the cpu, or the pros and cons of each device. He just wants a "X is good, it'll do what you want"
Either way I have my fun researching, and giving recommendations. It's just a matter of how I report my findings.



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06 Nov 2023, 8:11 pm

My 4th grade special needs teacher would basically let me teach the class if she was teaching something animal related. If she had to teach something animal related, she'd give the jist and tell the others if they wanted to know anything else to ask me. If other kids came up to her ever with an animal related question, she would say, "I have no idea but MagicMeerkat probably does. You should ask her." And they did and I knew the answers.


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06 Nov 2023, 8:27 pm

KitLily wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Does this appreciation work better for ladies rather than men? I say this because men are generally treated differently by other men as they see it as a threat to their inadequate knowledge information. Is a pride and persona thing...
Women are different in how they share information to each other. I have noticed that, so the appreciation may me more acceptable to another woman?

I am often giving too much information. People tell me "That's too much info" they say!


I think you could be right! It may be harder for men to give information because it threatens other men somehow and can be seen as mansplaining to women.

Although I'm often accused of giving too much information to men and women :roll: I genuinely think NT brains can't hold as much information as ND brains. They switch off when we give them a lot of information, about any subject, and we have to let it dripfeed out to them.

You know like Sheldon Cooper says he remembers absolutely everything that happened in his life? I sometimes feel like that, although mine is more how to do things and how I felt about things.

However, my brain switches off at too much irrelevant information. e.g. my estate agent woffles on about irrelevant stuff for half an hour before we get to the important house-selling information. I can more or less hear my brain going 'irrelevant! irrelevant!' like a siren while she is woffling on. :lol:

I reckon NTs think they are making us feel comfortable by talking about random stuff but I'm just not listening.

I also give too much information.

The advantage is if you have a pragmatic person in front of you who listens to you.

Praise from an insurance agent because I told her everything she needed without getting lost in useless things.

Problem because I speak but an immense speech comes out.

Sometimes he worries, other times he annoys those who aren't interested... it depends.


I'm not interested in talking nonsense.


Therefore they cannot tolerate continuous accelerations in dialogue.

Imagine an exclamation point, that's me!

Imagine a question mark-shaped Nt looking at you? Here's him...


Remember an NT is usually competitive and envious.

We are hardly competitive and at least in me envy is absent.


We usually displace others.

They have a mind that thinks in a way...1+1+1+1...


We think like 2x2x2x2...

We remember too many things that they forget after a short time.

We don't remember their faces because we usually don't give a damn, they remember our faces very well.

They are empathetic...we always rationally them.

They are opportunists, we are hardly.

I don't know! Many other things...


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07 Nov 2023, 1:59 am

I remember my Mum telling me about her past and how we had a new doctor, and he met her in the street and said "How are you?" so she told him in great detail which took quite some time.
She said in all the years since he never asked her how she was again!



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07 Nov 2023, 2:20 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
I remember my Mum telling me about her past and how we had a new doctor, and he met her in the street and said "How are you?" so she told him in great detail which took quite some time.
She said in all the years since he never asked her how she was again!

so you're telling me that all i need to do is offload whats really happening with me to avoid being asked such rudimentary questions in the future?

*takes notes*



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07 Nov 2023, 2:59 am

jamie0.0 wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
I remember my Mum telling me about her past and how we had a new doctor, and he met her in the street and said "How are you?" so she told him in great detail which took quite some time.
She said in all the years since he never asked her how she was again!

so you're telling me that all i need to do is offload whats really happening with me to avoid being asked such rudimentary questions in the future?

*takes notes*


Haha! No! It was a mistake my Mum made in the past!



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07 Nov 2023, 4:43 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
I have often been told "How come you didn't know that?" when it comes to something "Everyone knows!" (Well I didn't! :D ), but information on things that mean nothing to others I can go way deep into

This. I find it quite hurtful every time someone says "Everyone knows that" or "we all know what that means" or similar phrases.

Regarding the original topic, I think it depends not only on gendered expectations, but also on the question of whether the information was asked for. Things like mansplaining happen, when the info is provided without being explicitly asked about it. So as a general precaution, and because I can't read my audience like others here can, I try to only "help" when I am explicitly asked to do so. (I still often fail and forget that rule, though. Edit: As I probably failed here.)



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  1. How are you question asked by a doctor or people.



In fact, for us autistic people the question posed is valid. Let's answer.

As far as I'm concerned, pre-diagnosis, I've always answered the question: very well with people, it's better not to expose yourself.

Here you can write things as you experience them and have experienced them, you are at home.

Always here with us if you describe: you are complaining.

So I don't describe at all. Friendly people ask: then I answer.

True friends are few, the others are not.


We need to draw up answers to these questions, so as to be essential.

I write to lawyers and trash most of the useless sentences I have written.

They wouldn't understand and you have to be effective.

Respond by thinking first of saying as few things as possible: dry and concise answers.

I notice that many here think that the diagnosis is socially useful It will never be. It counts for us: we know how we are.

Useful. It doesn't even count for loved ones, because they see us in a special way.

If the degree of compromise is not enormous, then they will listen to you once. Two are too many.

Never confide about work: they are strangers.

Never confide about diagnoses or weak points with neighbors: they are strangers.

Nip in the bud conversations that are not trivial for us, to which we certainly respond not superficially.

* Copy their words and gestures, and be brief. Try to don't let us be fooled socially because, and so am I, we are very naive socially.

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A doctor asks how he is: use a synthetic mental scheme.

If he then asks other questions, short answers for what is essential.

We talk and they don't understand us, they have knowledge of the topics and a minimal vocabulary.

*Be careful what they ask and how.

If they smile, if they move away from us, it means they are uncomfortable.

Important: they don't understand us. And we wouldn't understand them if we were NT and they they were ND. They are not to blame.

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A very intelligent Italian comedian said a very biting phrase.

He was reading an absurd news program.

He made a premise like: "the news program will be broadcast in a reduced form to accommodate your mental capabilities." Even in the forum: if a person doesn't accept you or your dialogue, leave them alone.

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We have immense defects and immense strengths. Let's let them talk and if we ask, we organize the questions mentally.



1) What would we like

2) Let's use terms that are key. That is, an initial word immediately describes what we would like to mean.

3) We don't reply to if a person turns out to be superficial.

4) We observe their faces. Let's train ourselves to look.

Looking is essential.

I say mea culpa because if I walk I don't look at anyone: a mistake.

If I ride a bicycle I think about how to react quickly to its movements.

I have learned to understand how they ride a bicycle because here they are born with a bicycle.

They have a mental radar.

They generally go without hands (I know it seems very strange) but they never make mistakes They change direction instantly.

Now I can walk 50 meters without hands.

But I never try.

Intentions: I studied them like you study ants. So before driving and cycling I carefully observed for months how they do it.

Now I think I drive faster than them. While on a bicycle I'm almost at their level.

I've become fast when dribbling people.


They have a very polite behavioral code, no one invades other people's space. I'm happy with this aspect


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07 Nov 2023, 5:24 am

r@y wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
I have often been told "How come you didn't know that?

" when it comes to something "Everyone knows!"

(Well I didn't! :D ), but information on things that mean nothing to others I can go way deep into



The question they ask is illogical.





If a person asks him it means that he doesn't know the answer.

I reply: -"I'm asking because I didn't know the answer"

I wouldn't have done it otherwise: I was studying logic and it's illogical to ask something you know unless it's a clarification.

And everyone knows it's illogical: people are all different from each other.

Can you ask a question you know I can't answer and say why I'm asking?

Everybody knows!

We use two things

1) Smile

2) irony or sarcasm, we understand sarcasm better


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