our society demands perfection for everybody 'cept the rich

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09 Mar 2025, 11:38 pm

who here feels besieged by our society's demand that they always are perfect, never make mistakes? I was at a home Depot store, I had to rent a truck and when they found out I forgot my cell phone, they made it seem like I was crazy. nowadays you need a cell phone in order to buy and sell, this is something right out of the biblical end-times warning.



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09 Mar 2025, 11:51 pm

All I see was generations of conditioned enablers of the stupid games they're playing, whether parents unwillfully participating or not, pass it onto their children, it's a manufactured "choice" by an assigned "value", of "priorities" and "virtue".

And those parents and children, are enforcing the same things onto their peers and of onto each other, without knowing why, only that the consequences are of from "society", that they are "few" and "they're many" or that "they're powerful" and they're "not".


Regardless.
I already can see beyond the veil.
Because I pursue demystifying the illusion of that "they are perfect" and "I am not". :roll: Utter BS.

This includes a collective common doubt and insecurities, yet overtly discouraged in the name of saving face, assigned virtues and compliant conformity.

Despite that it's a hidden denied norm that most people could've empathize but had to pretend not to and deny, giving this illusion of "oh, that's just me and not a so-called normal human thing" or that gaslight that it's isolated case thing than an actual human norm that could've been rectify if it weren't for the keeping up with the illusion via the "demands of social norms".

Let alone a BS so big that caters to the so called elite.


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10 Mar 2025, 6:36 am

That is so true.
If you have a lot of money a bank will give you a special number so you can talk to someone without waiting in line.

I didn't realize I needed to upgrade my Iphone's operating system. Automatic updates only handles revisions, not upgrades. Revisions are the denoted by a monotonic increase in the number after the decimal point.
Anyway, the Golf Tournament sent me a special app so I didn't have to upgrade my phone!



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10 Mar 2025, 7:15 am

I don't know. I don't want to invalidate anyone's experience but I do sometimes think the obligation towards perfectionism comes from ourselves, rather than others.

Personally, I hate anyone to see my flaws, which are many and varied. Forgetting something, like my phone or my wallet reveals my flakiness, my tendancy to be daydreaming. If I drop something or spill a drink, that reveals my clumsiness and lack of coordination. I don't like that.

The worst is if they see I'm uncomfortable or embarrassed, if I can't hold it together and recover from whatever just derailed me.

And I think I sometimes project my discomfort in those sort of situations on the people around me - the ones who have been treated to a glimpse behind the mask. Some times it feels as if I have become less than those people. Like they have one-up on me so to speak.

But as much as I feel it, I still think it's mostly all in my head and people don't really look at these minor mistakes as anything serious, they probably barely notice them and won't remember them.


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10 Mar 2025, 8:08 am

auntblabby wrote:
who here feels besieged by our society's demand that they always are perfect, never make mistakes? I was at a home Depot store, I had to rent a truck and when they found out I forgot my cell phone, they made it seem like I was crazy. nowadays you need a cell phone in order to buy and sell, this is something right out of the biblical end-times warning.


You are right, except change cell phone into smart phone. I still use an older-style flip phone for calls (I do not text). When they see it, many act like I am a caveman in their modern world. Almost every day there is someone making a comment that I need to upgrade to a smart phone to use a certain app. My comment is that the dumbest people I know live on their smart phones. Sometimes they get the message, unless they are too self-absorbed with their smart phone in their face to hear my statement.

As for perfection, we live in a very troubling timeline. What used to be right is now wrong and vice versa. Our perception of what we wanted to be is faltering. Humanity is showing how it really is.



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10 Mar 2025, 8:48 am

Yes, some healthcare workers are genuinely surprised at how I managed to navigate healthcare web sites.
Often, older people can't do that and they have someone verbally fill out the questionnaires in person for things like colonoscopies. Of course I my procedure got moved up while that was done!

I think some of that perception may be that a lot of Aspies try to compensate for the ability to socially interact.



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10 Mar 2025, 11:47 am

When I was a kid I would hear that it was okay to make mistakes as long as we learn from them.

Yeah right. Try telling that to a doctor. Or a judge. Or even a hairdresser. Or anyone who has been in school.

But humans won't stop making the same mistakes over and over and over and never learning anything. And that's why all the blatant stupidity in human history just repeats itself and gets worse each time.

That's why whenever I make a mistake I usually feel worse and a lot more stupid than most other people would.



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10 Mar 2025, 3:54 pm

I've noticed LOTS of double standards throughout my life. Different people can be held to very different expectations. The world is run by the rich & powerful & thus they can literally get away with murder. Look at what political leaders can get away with compared to the poor.


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10 Mar 2025, 11:53 pm

People expect us to be perfect little kings and queens who fit all the binaries of society. They expect us to be able-bodied fast thinkers who don't struggle with anything.


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11 Mar 2025, 12:21 am

Yes it's true that wealthy people live by a different set of rules. Case in point: Donald Trump, convicted felon!

But you can say there are double standards for people of all walks of life.
Look at all of the things police officers can get away with. They can commit violent assaults and avoid criminal charges.

Where I am from, there is a big problem with drug addicts running rampant on the public transit system.
They often board the bus or train without paying the fare. They will do open drugs in the transit station
while the transit security are 10 feet away and doing absolutely nothing to enforce the rules.

If you are perceived as having the means to pay, you can be ticketed if you are caught boarding transit while bypassing the fare.

If you are a drug addict/homeless person who engages in the same illegal activity, you may be able to avoid a fine because the transit authorities know you haven't the means to pay the ticket and as such they look the other way.



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11 Mar 2025, 7:44 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
But humans won't stop making the same mistakes over and over and over and never learning anything. And that's why all the blatant stupidity in human history just repeats itself and gets worse each time.


Wait until AI becomes self-aware (links with quantum chips stage) and starts making the choices for us. At least we will be able to say we did not make the decisions that lead to our eventual end. Humanity needs AI to pull our collective heads out of our behinds, but I have a feeling it will shove them further up there.



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11 Mar 2025, 9:40 pm

I believe things won't improve until there is Human V.6. IOW this generation of humans with its fatal flaws will pass on. I've read that before us, there were 5 other isolated prehistorical epochs involving humans dating back over 100k years.



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13 Mar 2025, 5:06 pm

DuckHairback wrote:
I don't know. I don't want to invalidate anyone's experience but I do sometimes think the obligation towards perfectionism comes from ourselves, rather than others.

Personally, I hate anyone to see my flaws, which are many and varied. Forgetting something, like my phone or my wallet reveals my flakiness, my tendancy to be daydreaming. If I drop something or spill a drink, that reveals my clumsiness and lack of coordination. I don't like that.

I can relate to that. The standards the world holds me to are nothing like as stringent as the standards I hold myself to. I tend also to feel very critical of the world, and notice every little mistake it makes, though I don't hold it to account very often, because I'm not its keeper. Nor have I noticed others trying to correct me very often, especially since I retired, though even when I was working it was rare that they criticised me to my face.



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14 Mar 2025, 1:21 am

auntblabby wrote:
who here feels besieged by our society's demand that they always are perfect, never make mistakes?


I am honestly scared to have thoughts sometimes for fear that someone would catch them because I made a facial expression, a noise, or some unconscious behavior that means something. It's like, "Oh, did you see that face? He doesn't approve of the music in the grocery store. He's the bad guy. Get him!!"



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14 Mar 2025, 6:11 pm

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14 Mar 2025, 6:46 pm

Social expectations are largely unwritten and we are expected to perform like we are at a cosplay convention. So it means playing your part - dressing up, having the right equipment, showing the correct amount of respect to authority and following etiquette. Social demands means not just having skills, we also need to present an academy award performance in groups to succeed.

Yes the rules largely don't apply to the rich and powerful and never really have. After all, they make the rules, we follow.