Deep injustice and the NT-world

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Does or did anyone ever carry a grudge/s towards the NT-world for any particular reason ?

I've always felt a deep resentment that NT's have it all way too easy.
I consequently felt a need to make life a little harder for them - to bring them down whenever risk-free opportunities arose.
I guess a lot of people would call it 'having a chip on your shoulder'.
And boy, did I ever.

NT's get an easy ride in this life and get favoured at every turn, however undeserving or appalling they may be.
This always wrankled with me - and materially shaped my attitude towards them.

I was not infrequently guilty of the grossest Schadenfreude (literally translated 'damage joy').

It's not that I'm sociopathic in any way, at all.
Indeed, I'm very compassionate and conscientious.

Don't know. It's not "easy" for NTs in general. In fact there are much(!) of them living far worse than me for example. And that's only within the country I live, not counting those in poor areas of this world. I really can't hear that whining about the NT world anymore. They have problems of their own to cope with.

All this "We against NT" attitude is immature...

It might be, were it unjustified.

And I'm the least partisan Aspie you'll EVER meet.

I don't regard it as an 'us and them' situation with a sharp divide.

I simply see that a lot of undeserving NT's get a lot of favouritism and consequently, used to feel the need to redress the obscenely unfair imbalance.

The last thing I'm interested in is creating artificial and meaningless divides between myself as an Aspie and the wider NT world .... that WOULD be immature.

I don't see myself as separate from NT's - but merely disadvantaged, with the need to do orders of magnitude more work to achieve the same results (if I'm lucky).

I make no apology for feeling injusticed as a result of the lesser understanding I used to have.

Nor do I make judgments on others who might justifiably feel or have felt the same way.
I've never felt the need for the world's approval, so I don't condemn others to try and make myself look bigger, brighter or more worldly.
It would only make ME look immature.

Which NTs are you talking about?

Only the undeserving ones.

There is that complex thing called the social ladder. They (the NTs) don't have it easy either, they're constantly ranking other and are constantly ranked by other and everyone wants to be ranked higher than the other.... unfortunately, we (on the spectrum) lack the gauging tool. So we end-up at the bottom and get the treatment normally reserved for that "class" of poeples. "Us and them" is an illusion, comming from the fact that we're at the very end of the thing; "they're" all on one side... but if you look carefully, you'll see they don't treat everyone of them equal neither....

Try telling that to everybody who's been treated like they're nothing because they're non-white, or gay, or female, or Islamic, or unemployed, or a single mother or on benefits or what ever the tabloids latest hate figue/scape goat for the problems of society is today

How do you know I'm not a non-white, gay, unemployed, Islamic single-mother ?



Those differences are as nothing if you have the equipment to deal with it.

Aspies are near-totally devoid of that equipment, which is what makes it the most fundamental social disadvantage yet invented.

Your attitude is incredibly immature...you act like Asperger's is the only misfortune or obstacle that exists in the world and everyone else sails through a pain-free life. That's so not true...some of the "NT" people you despise so much have overcome incredible adversity because they didn't do what you're doing - wallow in self-pity. Some examples:

I've got someone on my staff who lost his entire family in a Thai refugee camp. He came to the U.S. alone and immediately contracted meningititis and lost his sight. Unlike you, he didn't waste any time crying "woe is me"...he learned English, graduated from college, and is now a successful computer programmer and has a family of his own. No one gave him an easy ride, he had to fight his way through every day just to survive. Then he had to overcome prejudice about his disability and the assumptions that potential employers made about his ability to contribute. If he had wasted his energy on "schadenfreude", he would not now be the productive, happy person that he is.

My sister is a three-time cancer survivor - she has beaten stage four lymphoma, metastasized breast cancer, and bone cancer. She has been enduring serious pain and illness for almost a decade. She has been near death more times than I can count and she has been told that the five year survival rate for people with her medical history is about 10%. She is still one of the most positive people I know. Unlike you, she does not use her misfortunes as an excuse to be a bitter, miserable human being. She is using whatever time she has left to build a foundation to help young children who lose their parents to terminal illness.

Even people with less unusual personal histories have often overcome significant disadvantages in life. Many "NT" people come from all kinds of damaging backgrounds - sexual abuse, alcoholic parents, extreme poverty, you name it. They certainly don't need you to look for opportunities to "bring them down". If you can't tell, I find your attitude despicable - proof positive that the moral superiority that people sometimes want to claim for Aspies/Auties does not exist.

You don't seem to understand.

Physical and circumstantial adversity are trivial if you have the equipment to deal with it.
If you don't have that equipment, the most trivial adversities can be extremely difficult to deal with.

I find your pious sanctimony quite sickening.

Jael, you know some interesting people!

I think you're both right but membersix, you have to admit that while most NTs have it easy, it's not the case of ALL NTs, and Jael, you have to admit that going thru cancer is certainly not a party but having poeples going thru it with you makes it easier and that going thru everyday life as an aspie CAN be as tough as going thru cancer, when you do it alone....

I think MemberSix is trying to argue that being on the autism spectrum makes you predisposed to pessimism, self hate, and weak mindedness that NTs dealing with prejudice and other hardships, as mentioned in previous examples, weren't already cursed with.

Am I right?

Where did I suggest it was ?

The fault may partially be mine for giving the impression that imbalance-redressing was a core component of my being.

I doubt there are many Aspies who don't harbour SOME resentment.

I'm actually a very warm person - which is why I feel the pain of Aspidity so keenly.

What I'm not though, is a person who regards themselves as morally superior to those around them.

I find Jael's comments extremely hostile and aggressive.
She makes zero allowance for the frailties of human nature.

Only 'the good' are acceptable to her.

Well, I don't pretend to be perfect - or sit in pious judgment on others.

I'm happy to bear my heart, warts and all.

I appreciate honesty over those so quick to tell others how they should or shouldn’t feel.

I wouldn’t say that we face more difficulties than those with physical disabilities/illnesses. It’s just that those are more acknowledged by society as a whole. Mental disabilities are often hidden and stigmatized. It is constantly assumed that we “choose” to be the way we are. This is true not just for AS but for other things such as biological/clinical depression which affect many NT’s as well.

In a sense.

Being Aspergic doesn't simply ADD burdens to the mind, it multiplies them - making the conduct of everyday life very difficult.

I didn't have the benefits of being raised in a family, which for any Aspie is a tough deal - I was raised in an orphanage.

And I'm not complaining about it.

But as circumstantial disadvantages go, growing up outside the family environment in an institution is one of the more significant ones.