Your loyalty to the autistic community...

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If you knew an autistic person killed a NT and knew where they were, would you turn them in?



If someone with AS picked on you and insulted and trashed you for no reason or because they were jealous, and tried to make other people in the autistic community hate you, would you tell them off? I've threatened to kill one in the past and been nasty to 3 or 4 others but I'm regretting it now because those people were Aspies and I should be loyal to my fellow Aspies and tey to figure out what's going on with them instead of blaming them for what they did.


If one of your fellow Aspies did something to themself that is known to do people (NTs, anyway) harm, would you trust that the Aspie was sane and had a good reason why he was doing it or would you force him to stop because he's a danger to himself?


If a NT family member and an autistic friend both got into the same amount of trouble at the same time, which one would you help first? Or if you could only help one, which would you help?


Would you sue or call the cops on an autistic friend who bothered your family, or is your autistic friend more important than your NT family?


Do you consider NTs who are part of the autistic community part of the community, or are only autistic people allowed in your autistic community? Similarly, if someone is autistic but not part of the community because they don't want to be, do you still look out for them like you would an autistic person who is part of the autistic community?


Personally, I try to be loyal to the autistic community with one exception. I would probably try to be loyal to NTs who were sympathetic to the autistic community, considering them honorary Aspies, but I think the people who would come first for me would be autistic members of the sutistic community, and then the honorary members, and then the autistics who weren't part of the community because they chose not to, and then everyone else.

I am always there for my fellow Aspies, but I don't think NTs should be cut off from our society.

And if an Aspie killed an NT, they should get the same punishment as if it were the other way around.

it depends on the reason why they done it...if you found out a 21 year old autistic murdered an old nt or shall we say a 8 year old nt would you be loyal to them then?

If you knew an autistic person killed a NT and knew where they were, would you turn them in?

YES



If someone with AS picked on you and insulted and trashed you for no reason or because they were jealous, and tried to make other people in the autistic community hate you, would you tell them off? I've threatened to kill one in the past and been nasty to 3 or 4 others but I'm regretting it now because those people were Aspies and I should be loyal to my fellow Aspies and tey to figure out what's going on with them instead of blaming them for what they did.

I would most likely get out of the community or depending on mood might tell the person off.


If one of your fellow Aspies did something to themself that is known to do people (NTs, anyway) harm, would you trust that the Aspie was sane and had a good reason why he was doing it or would you force him to stop because he's a danger to himself?

Would ask questions.


If a NT family member and an autistic friend both got into the same amount of trouble at the same time, which one would you help first? Or if you could only help one, which would you help?

Trouble is trouble.


Would you sue or call the cops on an autistic friend who bothered your family, or is your autistic friend more important than your NT family?

What do you mean by bothered?


Do you consider NTs who are part of the autistic community part of the community, or are only autistic people allowed in your autistic community? Similarly, if someone is autistic but not part of the community because they don't want to be, do you still look out for them like you would an autistic person who is part of the autistic community?

I'm actually kind of fed up of people labelling a community, a community when it seems more like a us vs. them "community". We're all people. I do have annoying past times with people I'm sure are not on the spectrum but having the same disabilites does not mean everything is bliss and an automatic guarantee that you won't find yourself in an annoying situation where someone is being mean to you.

Personally, I try to be loyal to the autistic community with one exception. I would probably try to be loyal to NTs who were sympathetic to the autistic community, considering them honorary Aspies, but I think the people who would come first for me would be autistic members of the sutistic community, and then the honorary members, and then the autistics who weren't part of the community because they chose not to, and then everyone else.

Honorary aspies but NT? Okay. Makes no sense. The word neurotypical makes no sense either considering the definition is anyone who isn't autistic. There are more disorders that are treated as bad if not worse than autism. I wouldn't think of those disorders as typical.

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Quicker that you could blink an eye.


Absolutely.


Neither. Self-destructive behaviour is a personal choice. I've tried to get friends to stop drinking, smoking, or using illegal drugs, but unless you're both willing and able to take full control of their life, it's a wasted effort.


The family member - filial piety, I think it's called.


Yes. That "Blink of an Eye" thing again.


No. That "Personal Choice" thing again.

yes. autism is not an excuse for murder. i'd turn in anyone who was a murderer, just on principle.



maybe, maybe not. but that's my personality. do i think they should get told off?? yes. autism is not an excuse for deliberate rudeness, either. now, offending someone accidentally is different, that can be excused. however, i don't think it's ever wise to threaten to kill anybody for any reason.



i would definitely do all i could to prevent them from harming themselves, but as for harming NTs, it depends on the circumstance. is it just random NTs, or is it because those NTs are bullying or otherwise harassing them?? if it's just random NTs, then that's just prejudice, and unacceptable. it is in no way right for autistics to be prejudice against NTs, and expect NTs not to be prejudice against us at the same time. however, if they are being bullied, it might be considered self-defense, which i see nothing wrong with. with that said, i don't believe in seeking revenge against bullies, as you will only get yourself in more trouble. turning the other cheek annoys them more, anyways.



my family is more important to me than my friends in general, regardless of if they're an NT or an autistic. i would, however, side with an autistic friend over an NT friend.



neither. i would first see if i could work out the situation to the benefit of all parties involved without involving the police. if the issue could not be resolved, then that person would cease to be my friend. i would be more lenient and patient with them for being autistic than i would for an NT friend, but that's the only privilege they would get. like i said before, my family is more important to me.



i'm not sure what you deem "the autistic community," but i support NTs who side with autistics, and feel pity for NTs and autistics alike who have been misinformed or misguided into buying into BS like that broadcast by Autism Speaks.

I personally don't think autism is something that connects or disconnects me to other people in a way that changes my values and principles.

I don't care more for an autistic person than I care for a non-autistic person.

Sure, a person murdered a person, so I'll turn in the murder if possible.


A guy who's been my bully and who managed to make me flee the schools by exploring my ASD issues had a ton of characteristics that are either BAP or AS (without impairment?). I can't say I like him any, understand him any, feel connected to him just because he has 1 random trait that I share somehow.


If a person harms other people, there must be put a stop to it and found a solution that satisfies both and favours none. I cannot understand why an ASD should have an influence on this process.


I consider the neurology of people to be irrelevant when they are in need of help. I help the one first who asks first or who can be helped quicker.


Same as above. A person can't just be left harming others (and themselves).


I consider everyone touched by autism as a part of the autistic/autism community.

I do not look out for anyone of this community any more or less than I look out for other people.

I would definitely not treat non-autistic people as inferior and undeserving of a normal treatment. Or treats anyone else like that.

Lots of people are blonde to, dye their hair, have gone to certain schools, like certain things, have a certain stature, weight, height etc... but I don't feel any loyal to them either just because they exhibit these characteristics.

ASD are pretty meaningless to my mind when people as equals are to be considered.

I feel no loyalty to people I don't even know only on the grounds of a disability we share (no offence anyone).

LOYALTY IS ... NOT A VIRTUE!

Same.

am dont think autism,as or any other condition has a class system with one being better than another even if some act like it,all creatures are an object,theres no real difference so specific asd or neurotype should not be treated like it makes something worth more.
am have helped 'fellow auties' more than anyone else [by passing on abuse against them to NAS] with but that is due to living with them more than any other group,have also stopped Lders am used to live with from being beaten up,their problem being they wouldnt hit girls so she [a 'severe' aspie] got away with it.

also,about autistic community,it does not include NTs by default of its name-it includes everyone with an ASD-not just the most obvious ones,autism community is different-it is not specific to autistics,and includes all who are affected by asds in some way.

I agree with Tim, we shouldn't be shut off from NT society, I still have NT friends who accept me for who I am.

Of course, what does that have to do with "loyalty to the autistic community"?



I might or might not (I've had this happen, and no I feel no particular allegiance to a bully just because they're autistic). But my choice would not have anything to do with "loyalty" to the autistic community. And people should not threaten to kill someone.



Uh... depends on the situation, and "force" is a strong word. Again, not because of loyalty to a community.



Depends on the people. Such questions have a lot of bias designed into them and I refuse to participate in the framing of things in that manner.



Depends on what's going on. And none of it has to do with "autistic" vs. "NT". My family isn't even "NT" in the first place.



Uh... yeah, I really don't get these questions.



I don't understand all this about "loyalty to a community", it seems strange and contrived to me, and even if loyalty existed, none of what you describe is how I conceive of loyalty.

Autism/Asperger's is not an excuse for murder, rudeness, threats, etc.

Certainly. Murder should always be reported, and if it's not murder, just self-defence, then it should still be reported and the autistic person, or their advocate in the case of a lower-functioning person, can give their side of the story.



I would tell them off, but not threaten violence. There is no point in it, especially over the internet.



I would try and give this person the best advice possible. But I can't force anyone to 'quit' a behaviour. I would probably assume that this person was going through a rough time, and may need to seek professional help.



I would have to go with the NT family member. The autistic friend would likely have their own support system in place, like family or possibly some services. My obligation would be to my family, primarily.



That depends. How badly is this person bothering them? Like, just calling the house number every day, or actual personal stalking? Either way, I would highly discourage my family from intervening in this case, and I would just speak to the autistic friend about this issue. Obviously, they would have to be a nice person to be my friend, and maybe they just don't know that they are irritating other people? I would only call the cops in a case of serious menacing.



If they are civil, and show respect towards autistic people, then I consider them to be valuable people in the autistic community. If they are condescending, and treat autistic adults like mentally challenged children, then I would rather not be associated with them. If for example, a high-functioning Aspie prefered not to be associated with the autistic community because of bad experiences running into people like those mentioned above, then I would support their decision, and not look badly on them. I have worries like that myself.

And what of the many cmponents of me determines my community?