Aspie traits that aren't diagnostic criteria
DJRnold
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Help me form a list of common aspie traits/issues that are (at least supposedly) caused by AS but don't apply to all aspies and are therefore not required for diagnosis. I want this list for myself and to educate certain others beyond the basic description of AS.
Common aspie traits:
- Anxiety
- Clumsiness
- Talking a lot/talking very little
- Talking fast/ loudly
- Naive/gullable
- Can't multitask
- "Rigid" thinking
- Odd/bad posture/gait
- "Can't" make eye contact
- Poor/odd sense of humour
- Hypersensitivity/Hyposensitiveity
- Difficulty with transistion/change
- Dislikes/"can't stand" being touched
- Difficulty determining proper body space
- Trouble dealing with/controlling anger
- Depends a lot on concrete fact, logic, or images
- Thinks in pictures (spelled-out words or images)
- Difficulty expressing thoughts and ideas with words
- Depends on words, rather than intuition, to find out how people think and feel
- Observes and analyzes social situations (rather than intuitively understanding them)
- Follows their own inner truth or logic, rather than being easily influenced by others
- Feels uncomfortable in emotionally intense situations
- Tends to analyze/a preference for logical thinking
- Has difficulty remembering names/phone numbers
- Arranges and organizes things
- Mimics socially adept people
- Doesn't lie/use sarcasm
- Takes everything literally/doesn't "get" sarcasm
- Has a strong sense of social justice
- Thinks "outside the box"
- Gastrointestinal problems (?)
- Tendency to get lost (?)
- Trouble falling asleep (?)
- Stutters/stammers (?)
Last edited by DJRnold on 08 Dec 2008, 6:54 pm, edited 20 times in total.
Walking on tiptoes is apparently common.
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I have been told that it is and also that it isn't I am a toe walker, and it is one of the reasons I started thinking that I was more As than just ADD.
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A lot of the subjective things can't be made into diagnostic criteria because they're simply not precise enough. Like, Feeling different from everyone else; having to think very hard to socialize; being easily annoyed by sensory input most people think of as neutral; feeling like an outsider to your culture; being too easy to manipulate or else impossible to convince of anything; depending a lot on concrete fact, logic, or images... Those aren't even "diagnostic" because they are common outside the spectrum, but seem to be so very common on it that I start to wonder whether I should suspect autism or a milder subclinical variant thereof when I hear someone talk about experiencing these sorts of things.
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A lot of people on here seem to be toe-walkers and I recently read it in a book about autistic spectrum disorders.
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I think that sensory problems (such as sensory integration dysfunction and scotopic light sensitivity etc) should be focused on more with AS. It seems to be more strongly associated with straight-up autism; however, from my experience, a great number of people with AS also have accompanying sensory processing problems. My feeling is that it is related rather than coincidental, although of course not every person with AS has sensory difficulties.
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I'm the exact opposite. I walk/stand/run on my heels. My balance is so bad that I can barely stand up if I try walking on my toes. As a matter of fact, I actually dorsiflex my toes sometimes so that they don't touch the ground at all.
I don't toe walk, at least not that I know of, but my balance is pretty lame. It's not the worst and far from the best.
Roller skating. I used to roller skate a lot and was good at roller skating frontwards. I could do that with ease and was fast too. I went roller skating with other kids and we all went skating often. The other kids learned to backwards skate and became good at that. Although I could skate forwards as good as the other kids, I could not skate backwards no matter how much I practiced or how hard I tried. I just couldn't master whatever it takes to skate backwards and I think it has something to do with being UnNT.
Whenever I tried, I would go a short ways, really slowly, and lose my balance and go forward a little. On and off other kids helped me by holding my hands and pushing me back, letting me use them for balance and gaining some speed. Even with them helping me like this I still lost my balance and couldn't backwards skate. To this day I can't do it and I have tried a million times more than most to learn how.
I interpret this as being able to learn basic stuff, like forward skating, or basic bike riding, (another example, riding bikes) and ice skating, too, but not being able to master more complicated variations of the basic skill. Variations that require more advanced coordination, etc.
I imagine your list is meant to be inclusive, but not prescriptive? Not everything on the list applies to everyone. For instance, I have a very good sense of humor, and I use and understand sarcasm quite well--not in a cruel way, but in a fun way. I would not use sarcasm against a person or participate in it when its purpose is to diss someone. I also understand and use metaphor without any problems.
I would add the following:
Thinking in pictures (spelled-out words or images)
Dependence upon words, rather than intuition, to find out how people think and feel
I would also add Aspie traits that girls/women tend to manifest more than boys/men:
Observing and analyzing social situations (rather than intuitively understanding them)
Arranging and organizing things (a big one for me)
Having a hyperfocused interest in animals and classical literature as children
Choosing socially adept people to mimic
I would add the following:
Thinking in pictures (spelled-out words or images)
Dependence upon words, rather than intuition, to find out how people think and feel
I would also add Aspie traits that girls/women tend to manifest more than boys/men:
Observing and analyzing social situations (rather than intuitively understanding them)
Arranging and organizing things (a big one for me)
Having a hyperfocused interest in animals and classical literature as children
Choosing socially adept people to mimic
Can relate to this, the first part. I was going more in stamp/coin collections and numberplates, didn't know there was a significant difference between female and male in types of obsessions, or more diplomatic said; interests
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Can we add 'funny gait' instead of toe-walking, necessarily? Toe-walking is common but there seem to be a lot who just walk strangely in other ways. Like I'm extremely pidgeon-toed and don't have very good balance so always walk into things (guess that means lack of spacial awareness), but I can't walk on my toes at all or I fall over.
Also, 'missing' things? Like, someone will say something and I'll take it so literally I'll not even realise there's a hidden sub-text at times, even though normally I'm very very good at picking up inuendo and subtext and hidden meanings, etc.
Also, I can do sarcasm, but sometimes find it hard to tell if someone's being sarcastic or just plain malicious.
I'd perhaps add:
Inability to remember names (sort of like the opposite of face-blindness)
Auditory processing delay... like it takes a moment for words to route themselves through the ear and into the brain. Not a lack of comprehension or understanding or intelligence or anything else, just a delay in 'hearing' the words you hear.
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I think the movements you can make with your body are really beautiful and i love dancing even just to spin around or get a silk flow it around every where.
Actaully, the other day i was walking home and i was bored and so i was picking flowers and then i saw these ballons and swinging them around trying to make them look beautiful and they didnt so i got really mad and jumped on them and then i go this mag or wheel rim from the side of the road and started spinning it and wouldnt spin! so i jumped and jumped on it until it broke.
Then i come across some rubbish, like an old tricycle and it tried to bend it and it wouldnt bend so then i walked past the drive and kicked the rubbish down and then i felt better.
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Whenever I tried, I would go a short ways, really slowly, and lose my balance and go forward a little. On and off other kids helped me by holding my hands and pushing me back, letting me use them for balance and gaining some speed. Even with them helping me like this I still lost my balance and couldn't backwards skate. To this day I can't do it and I have tried a million times more than most to learn how.
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A lot of people on here seem to be toe-walkers and I recently read it in a book about autistic spectrum disorders.
Thats good, because I was disgruntled when someone tried to tell me it was not necc. related to AS.
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R.E:toewalking
That's weird, I always thought I toe walked because my mum used to do ballet, and I must have seen her do it and copied.
Thing is I only do it when I'm making tea/coffee, when I'm waiting for the kettle to boil and while I'm going up stairs when I'm not wearing shoes, not delibrately, but I'll suddenly notice that I'm doing it only then.
What's the connection to AS then?, where does it fit?, does anyone else find it serves some kind of Mental/Emotional purpose?, as it seems to be aimless for me.
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