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06 Mar 2009, 7:24 pm

Does anyone know any such thing as an aspie micronation? Wouldn't it be great to have something more or less official identifying us as aspies besides a diagnosis which I can't get. I don't have much time to think about it. I just thought since we have here a big, organized group with very particular characteristics why not form a nation. I thought it would be fun.



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06 Mar 2009, 7:47 pm

Forming a nation is rather more difficult than just having some people. Besides that, we've got just under 25,000 members at the moment, which is rather small for a country. Especially when you consider that the majority of accounts here have pretty much never been used.


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06 Mar 2009, 8:08 pm

Of course it can't be a real nation. To be realy recognized as one it should have a territory. My idea is having some set of principles (that don't get in conflict with the real law) and form a fix community of aspies. call it a nation, a movement, a secret organization. I just feel that I need to belong to something.



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06 Mar 2009, 8:32 pm

How about a charity/community?

Funded by donations, its aim would be to raise awareness among NT's, and also to offer basic community respite to autists across the spectrum. Events, activities, friendship... things that are difficult in usual life.

Diagnosed or not, it is a way to be (and feel) a part of a community.

I am already a part of a charity that has a similar way of working (in my country. In some others, more intense action is needed). Their focus is poverty, though.

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06 Mar 2009, 8:56 pm

Yes community is more what I had in mind. I wouldn't rush to the donations thing because it's dangerous to involve money on this. But there are so much wonderful things one can do without money just wth willpower.
I Guess the generic question is who would like to be part of an organized community of aspies? Then we should develop from there.
So who would like to be part of an organized community of aspies?
I would



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06 Mar 2009, 8:59 pm

aerofool wrote:
Does anyone know any such thing as an aspie micronation? Wouldn't it be great to have something more or less official identifying us as aspies besides a diagnosis which I can't get. I don't have much time to think about it. I just thought since we have here a big, organized group with very particular characteristics why not form a nation. I thought it would be fun.


Do you think people suffering from diabetes should form a Nation also?

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06 Mar 2009, 9:13 pm

I don't think people with diabetes are so much different than the nondiabetics to have the need for some kind of organization identifying them as proud diabetics. But probably they too would benefit from a community of diabetics.



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06 Mar 2009, 9:44 pm

I think it's a good idea. Would we test people first?



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06 Mar 2009, 9:57 pm

I don't know I would probably fail. I think that admitance should be free to all who would define himself as an aspie. Only if It is obvious that someone is a rude NT should be expelled from the community. We are so diverse that we would probably rule out many people that have many symptoms of AS but lack one or other specific aspect.



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07 Mar 2009, 7:09 am

aerofool wrote:
I don't think people with diabetes are so much different than the nondiabetics to have the need for some kind of organization identifying them as proud diabetics. But probably they too would benefit from a community of diabetics.


I would distinguish between a group established for sharing information and for cheering the members up from a nation.

Is the Harley Owner Group a nation?

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07 Mar 2009, 7:59 am

aerofool wrote:
Yes community is more what I had in mind. I wouldn't rush to the donations thing because it's dangerous to involve money on this. But there are so much wonderful things one can do without money just wth willpower.
I Guess the generic question is who would like to be part of an organized community of aspies? Then we should develop from there.
So who would like to be part of an organized community of aspies?
I would


Just a base, non-money community is what we have here at WP. There are opportunities to meet up, along with the support that comes from having others 'around'. My vision was more physical and permanent, involving the community (as a single registered entity) owning properties around the world, which would require some financial base.

For example, 'Integr8' (an example name), would want to have a national centre, and also be able to provide material assistance. Anything from tea and biscuits at the centre to group outings could then be covered by 'Integr8'.

I know that such supports with ATD Fourth World (the poverty charity I work with) have helped them with outreach and have cultivated bonds between all involved. The link here is two way:

1) People in poverty in wealthy countries such as UK, like aspies, can easily become completely cut off and isolated from their local communities. Self esteem is generally low, and people are often unwilling to look for support.

2) Aspies are often prone to poverty, through difficulties acquiring employment long term.

This is why I would take a similar approach that ATD take. AS and poverty link together in many cases, and indeed have similar impacts on the quality of life (in my humble opinion).

They are still very different situations, though, and it would be unwise to attempt to merge the two into one. I just feel that the community and friendship experience at ATD is valuable to me, and I feel it would be valuable to others also

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07 Mar 2009, 8:14 am

A nation doesn't need a territory. Otherwise the Jews wouldn't have been a nation for all the years they didn't have our land.

A nation is defined, among other things, by a common ancestry, though. So rather than a nation, I'd love to see the world Aspies united as a brethren or something like that.


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07 Mar 2009, 8:15 am

On second thoughts, we could define ourselves as all descendants of the Neanderthal or something, and then we could be a nation, yay!

Though what about those of us who already belong to a certain nation? :?


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07 Mar 2009, 11:41 am

Greentea wrote:
A nation doesn't need a territory. Otherwise the Jews wouldn't have been a nation for all the years they didn't have our land.


Well... then we could form a diaspora nation, maybe?? :wink:



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07 Mar 2009, 12:07 pm

done deal.


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07 Mar 2009, 12:24 pm

In a sense, we already form a sort of Digital Nation.

Before the web, Aspies had very little chance of speaking (knowingly) to another Aspie.

In 1998, the author harvey blume coined the term Neurodiversity. A year earlier, he wrote this ...

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In a sense, autistics are constituting themselves as a new immigrant group on line, sailing to strange neurological shores on the Internet, and exchanging information about how to behave upon arrival ...
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Yet, in trying to come to terms with an NT-dominated world, autistics are neither willing nor able to give up their own customs. Instead, they are proposing a new social compact, one emphasizing neurological pluralism.
Autistics communicating in cyberspace