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KevinLA
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05 Apr 2009, 9:43 pm

I have not been in a physical fight since I was probably six years old.

There seems to be unwritten rules with physical fights and I have no idea what they are.

If I were to get in a fight, I would have to be provoked and I could see myself going overboard.

I have heard some people only fight with an open hand and slap in order to avoid breaking bones (which makes sense to me). I have heard other people say that doing that is fighting like a girl.

Some people it seems just use their weight and push people to the ground.

When other people get into a fight, are they trying to inflict serious damage.

None of it makes sense to me.



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05 Apr 2009, 10:10 pm

try and stay away from the neck if you dont want to do serious damage especially if you haven't cut your nails
keep it below the belt
Don't poke out the eyes
gut shots hurt like hell but its a quick way to get someone to the ground
don't push someone back they might crack there skull on the floor

im sure there's more but i haven't been in a serious fight in a while



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05 Apr 2009, 10:46 pm

I think the rules depend on what type of fight you are in. If you are sparring, then you want to lay down the ground rules before you begin. If you are just fighting for fun, or are part of a fight club, obviously the rules are different. Different rules apply to different situations. If I am fighting to ward off a mugger or another type of serious threat, then, anything goes. Yes, people talk about unwritten rules, but the rule I think is most appropriate is to win especially if you are fighting to protect yourself. If I am pushed to the point of fighting, I am likely to BITE, SCRATCH, punch, kick, pinch, or use objects within reach. When I am pushed to that point, I can no longer control myself. This is the reason why I am now afraid to get into a real fight. I can see where I could easily maim or kill someone, or that someone can do the same to me. I have fought in school, and I usually ended up winning simply because adrenalin overrides any pain I might feel. T o learn some fight techniques, you might want to search your favorite torrent site for Krav Maga teaching videos. Other forms of fighting arts can be good as well.


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05 Apr 2009, 10:47 pm

If you have to fight someone the best approach is to have trained yourself in joint locking submissions. A martial artist doesn't fight unless she has to, and her defensive strategy is based on redirecting the attacking forces back onto the attacker. Sometimes it's very hard to avoid being goaded into a fight, but it's very smart to do anything you can, including just running, to avoid a physical fight, which is dangerous and can get you arrested even if you are defending yourself.



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05 Apr 2009, 11:09 pm

Shoot [and hit] first?



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06 Apr 2009, 12:47 am

Kevin, you don't say how old you are, and if you attend school. This makes a big difference.

As an adult, if I get into a fight it's very likely because some other adult is trying to hurt me, kill me, steal from me or all three. When a 15 year old in his Jr. High hallway gets into a fight, it's probably because one said something wrong to another, and the other decided it was too much. Popping someone in the mouth who's picked on you the last 5 years and just scattered your notes all over the floor is understandable, but not the same as someone breaking into my house and attempting to rape my girlfriend. So with that in mind, here are some rules of honorable combat. All of these assume that YOU started or invited the fight.

1) No weapons or other outside implements unless the other person does it first.

2) No biting, scratching or hair pulling unless unavoidable.

3) No calling for help unless the other one does too.

4) Try to avoid groin attacks, eye gouges, throat hits or permanent injury.

Now, if you did NOT start or invite the fight, and all you want is to be left in peace, then there is really only one rule: make him stop, and make him never want to start again.


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06 Apr 2009, 8:22 am

i never use figthing moves if not absolutly necessary(like being assaulted)...but couple good moves:always hit with elbow since its hardest bone of your body...2 knee kick is other hardbone ..but if u get one good hit with elbow it knocks oponent out and is likely to cause lot of damage one of advantage of these is that u need to stay calm in order to make em work effectifely


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06 Apr 2009, 8:27 am

I have hit people in the past, when I was like twelve or something. I certainly wouldn't hit someone unless they were trying to harm me seriously. All it takes is a wrong blow to the head, or for someone to trip and hit their head on the corner of something for it to turn into murder.



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06 Apr 2009, 8:38 am

School fights are one thing and it's part of growing up. Just avoid them, learn from them; whatever.

But as an adult I take any physical aggression as a threat on my life and rules no longer apply, no matter what people may say about a kick to the nuts and a punch to the throat.

Yay concealed license!

(Im the most non-aggressive person I know)



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06 Apr 2009, 8:39 am

How to fight depends all on the situation prior to the fight, the aggression and other emotions that both feel, the intention either aggressors have... no way to describe this easily.

Some physical fights are meant to kill people, other are out-of-control responses such as in meltdowns, some are typical kid fights and some others are play fights in which you probably wouldn't want to injure the other.

If you don't know what is currently the best balance between socially appropriate and self-defence but are drawn into a fight then flee/end the fight before it can begin/sidestep a starting blow and frighten the other by screaming, singing, whatever or act swift and without causing serious injuries (you may want to try to trap the other), unless you're in such a critical position that your self-defence is so vital to your well-being that nobody would mind if the other got a good hit on their head and blacked out.

But keep in mind that you either know/learn to pick this up somehow or you're most likely screwed should you be drawn into a serious fight.


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06 Apr 2009, 9:59 am

Fighting in school vs in real life is different. in school there were all sorts of bullying taking place, a slap here or a hard fistfight. I wasnt the type that defended myself, but i managed to overpower bullies 2 times and gave them what they were giving me.

I suggest you take martial arts or talk to a martial arts instructor to learn more. I have been practicing Bujinkan and i have learned that the best thing to do is to learn to avoid situations, today i would actually run away from someone or try to talk my way out of it.

The alternative could make me end up in jail for 10+ years...


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06 Apr 2009, 2:16 pm

I never got the idea that physical fights are supposed to have rules.

If I ever reach a point where I'm in a physical confrontation it's likely that either 1.) I'm feeling like my (or someone that I care about's) safety is threatened and fighting is the last resort, or 2.) I'm in an out of control rage. In the rare instances where I found myself in those kinds of situations I've never followed any rules other than stopping short of doing damage that would require hospitalization. If I perceived that the other person was much larger or stronger than me then I probably wouldn't even have that concern.



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07 Apr 2009, 5:26 pm

If you're in a situation that your life is in danger, it is simply this:
It is either you or them...
If you're going to go down, do as much hurt to the other person as you can... go down fighting, go out in a blaze.

In something less than a do or die situation, get away from the fight, but if you can't , defend yourself, and if possible, injure or hurt the other person enough to then be able to get away.

I have been in quite a few fights... some because I was seen as an eccentric person and a easy mark, other times, because I am tall and somoene else had to prove themselves at my expense. I avoided many fights but in some cases, I had to defend myself and have hurt other people badly in self defense before I could escape.

I have studied martial arts in the past and have integrated several types into a unique style that has been effective for me.



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07 Apr 2009, 5:34 pm

There are no rules anymore, maybe 30 years ago.

Closed fist, head, elbows, forearms, legs, whatever prevents you from sustaining a serious injury is fine. However, once the threat has been stopped you do not have the justification to continue attacking the person. If you did, this is criminal assault(Aust). Not sure about the USA state criminal laws!!



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07 Apr 2009, 5:40 pm

I know there are people out there who try to fight you, harm you and mean you harm, but fighting shouldn't be a first choice. For me, I am a college student, but I only used my martial arts when I felt trapped, overwhelmed, or outnumbered. I have been doing martial arts since I was 12, and what I've found is when you get strong enough, you no longer need to fight. Also, intimidation plays a large factor, the first 10 seconds determine whether you win or whether that other person does. If you show the person you are afraid, that person will try to overwhelm you right off the bat, but if you grin, change to an aggressive posture and hold your stance you will unnerve the opponent. If you are outnumbered, parkour is actually more useful than martial arts. Being able to evade your opponents would be much more useful than being mass attacked, but if you are outnumbered and cornered, or protecting someone or up against someone with a weapon, there are no rules. If someone is such a coward that they and their buddy are going to attack you, they are the ones who decided to gamble with their own weak hand; crush them both with yours.

The key though is to first learn a martial art before going nuts in a fight, also losing control actually takes power away from your techniques usually, and leaves yourself open for attack, so don't go nuts.



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07 Apr 2009, 5:54 pm

KevinLA wrote:
I have not been in a physical fight since I was probably six years old.
It took me longer to grow out of this.

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There seems to be unwritten rules with physical fights and I have no idea what they are.

If I were to get in a fight, I would have to be provoked and I could see myself going overboard.
I always did, which is one of the reasons that I never got into very many fights later than primary school. My classmates knew that I was uninterested in fighting for the sake of "power play," and they were rightfully worried that I could seriously damage them. They also knew, unfortunately, that I would not rise physically to verbal taunts, and this was abused from time to time.

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I have heard some people only fight with an open hand and slap in order to avoid breaking bones (which makes sense to me). I have heard other people say that doing that is fighting like a girl.
It is. When men get into disputes, they rarely rain powerful blows on each other. Generally, they "lock horns" and simply push against each other. It is unpolitic to actually throw punches during this sort of power play. For that matter, most males in such situations rarely think of doing so. Usually, it's over a woman or perceived social status.

Of course, the easiest way to avoid these situations altogether is to claim that you are married and have five kids. In fact, I advise maintaining this lie at every social venue you frequent unless you are interested in picking up women.

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Some people it seems just use their weight and push people to the ground.
Yep. This is what usually happens. In fact, the men involved in this PARTICULAR sort of conflict rarely ever mean each other any harm.

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When other people get into a fight, are they trying to inflict serious damage.
When rams butt heads, are they trying to give each other brain damage?

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None of it makes sense to me.
Watch a few nature videos. Everything human beings do makes SO much more sense if you can boil them down to just being big, dumb animals. For that matter, they look a lot more intelligent.