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13 Nov 2021, 5:55 am

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in the army, non-conformity can get a GI into a sheetload of trouble PDQ.

That kind of trouble can be far healthier than conformity and active duty for a soldier.

article 15s are not my idea of "healthy." extra-duty [on top of the already plenty exhausting 12+ hour duty day] as well as having my meager pay docked is not my idea of "healthy." a court-martial is not my idea of "healthy." being confined in the stockade/CCF is not my idea of "healthy." chaptered out with less-than-honorable discharge is not my idea of "healthy."

Have you ever noticed the suicide rate in veterans? The homelessness, addictions, domestic chaos, mass murders and other symptoms of PTSD from following orders? I maintain that that was the less healthy option. In my family, the vets are the crazy ones.

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13 Nov 2021, 6:00 am

Dear_one wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Dear_one wrote:

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in the army, non-conformity can get a GI into a sheetload of trouble PDQ.

That kind of trouble can be far healthier than conformity and active duty for a soldier.

lemme tell ya, being homeless is definitely not my idea of healthy either, and that was the only option i had at the time [early 1984 at the height of the reagan recession when there were NO JOBS] other than joining uncle sam's army. joining the army, IOW, was #1 on my list of things never to do, but as john lennon tartly observed, "life is what happens when you've made other plans."

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13 Nov 2021, 6:10 am

The habit of conformity is what makes homelessness so bleak for most people, but I've just been reading a picture-book about small shelters that people have created for themselves, and they look like a very happy bunch.

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13 Nov 2021, 8:16 am

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Has non conformity ever gotten you in trouble?

Both conformity and non-conformity have gotten me in trouble. The non-conformity brought me more success and happiness, though.

Very wise Dear_one :!:

Very wise to answer the question from Technic1 from both sides.
The side from conforming and the side from non-conforming.
In general how bigger the group how lesser im happy. When its a group where i can be anonymously is different, being anonymously in a group is actualy not a group for me. My mind feels like i am invisible there.

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13 Nov 2021, 8:33 am

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i tasted homelessness for long enough before i finally got sufficiently sick of living out in the open [no nice little microhouses then], to go to my local recruiter who seemed happy to take my dirty ragged self.

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13 Nov 2021, 11:51 am

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Tiny homes are still an uphill battle for both zoning and money. The characters in the book are mostly self-employed, and can afford some supplies. Three even cheaper and non-conformist options I've heard about include a campsite with a fabulous view, accessed by climbing down from a scenic walk at an improbable-looking spot. George Dyson, son of Freeman, lived for years in a treehouse in a big downtown park. There's also a large cohort of squats in odd industrial spaces, usually with power but no windows.

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13 Nov 2021, 12:06 pm

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joining the army, IOW, was #1 on my list of things never to do, but as john lennon tartly observed, "life is what happens when you've made other plans."

Some peoples Integrity, values can not be broken by any amount of pressure, cultural trends, cataclysmic changes in zeitgeist, or other such socioeconomic phenomena. Some people are just pathologically a certain way.

I wonder if John Lennon had lived long enough , would he in his old age, became a republican conservative fundamentalist christian bible totin misogynistic militarist nra member...Somehow I dont think so, but you never know

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13 Nov 2021, 1:29 pm

Lets say John Lennon had not been murdered, wnd if he was the author of the lyrics to the song 'Imagine ' the entire generstion around him probably would have made him president of the World.

Then to Conformity: What is the idea behind Masking then ? Now after a lifetime of doing that
have started to finally realise , how subtle NTs use language to test for worthyness of Conformity
Which sounds like a oxymoronic concept , Often their simplest of interactions in a conversation
seems to be a test for this . Analyzing conversation on the go , seems to be a un natural way of talking , but unless you have grown up in such situation , even in a basic birth family situation.
It feels like you have to lie in order to be able to engage some people. Because if you are honest
you are not conforming . Depending on the seriousness of thesituation .
This is part of the draw of having landed on this Wrong Planet . And trying to find other Aspies
to be able to associate with , whom might possibly be like minded , to some degree . So perhaps the need to mask is either non-existant or at least not as much. Having said as much , i want to thank all of you for being here, Regardless of anyones sentiments towards me based on my writing. :mrgreen:

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13 Nov 2021, 3:37 pm

We mask because if we don't conform we get bullied and tortured.

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14 Nov 2021, 2:30 am

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auntblabby wrote:

joining the army, IOW, was #1 on my list of things never to do, but as john lennon tartly observed, "life is what happens when you've made other plans."

Some peoples Integrity, values can not be broken by any amount of pressure, cultural trends, cataclysmic changes in zeitgeist, or other such socioeconomic phenomena. Some people are just pathologically a certain way. I wonder if John Lennon had lived long enough , would he in his old age, became a republican conservative fundamentalist christian bible totin misogynistic militarist nra member...Somehow I dont think so, but you never know

not a chance lennon would have given up. that is why they killed him, he was unbreakable.

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14 Nov 2021, 2:32 am

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Lets say John Lennon had not been murdered, wnd if he was the author of the lyrics to the song 'Imagine ' the entire generstion around him probably would have made him president of the World.

Then to Conformity: What is the idea behind Masking then ? Now after a lifetime of doing that
have started to finally realise , how subtle NTs use language to test for worthyness of Conformity
Which sounds like a oxymoronic concept , Often their simplest of interactions in a conversation
seems to be a test for this . Analyzing conversation on the go , seems to be a un natural way of talking , but unless you have grown up in such situation , even in a basic birth family situation.
It feels like you have to lie in order to be able to engage some people. Because if you are honest
you are not conforming . Depending on the seriousness of the situation .
This is part of the draw of having landed on this Wrong Planet . And trying to find other Aspies
to be able to associate with , whom might possibly be like minded , to some degree . So perhaps the need to mask is either non-existant or at least not as much. Having said as much , i want to thank all of you for being here, Regardless of anyones sentiments towards me based on my writing. :mrgreen:

the aspie-in-chief, one bill gates, would do that to his employees, real-time-parse every word that came out of their mouths, and oft-times he'd mock them. a friend knew somebody who worked for him who vouched for that.

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14 Nov 2021, 12:13 pm

i wonder if he was borne into a very wealthy family ., Cause if you do that in real time with
your co workers or bosses ,he might not have made it into the position he has ?
His ability to do that if used in a lesser position might not have gained him many friends .
In fact it could have worked against him .

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14 Nov 2021, 12:18 pm

^^ Gates was never poor, and when he first started writing software, he was the only student who would not share his work. Everyone else was excited about what code could do for the customer, but Bill was all about what it could do for the author. He didn't make Win 10 a free upgrade just to be nice.

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14 Nov 2021, 2:24 pm

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Someone needed to fix Win 8 it was cumbersome.... maybe Win 10 was to save his reputation ?

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14 Nov 2021, 2:31 pm

^^ When they finished Win 8, they had the fully integrated spyware perfected, but they'd forgotten to even consider the "customer" to get people to use it.

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14 Nov 2021, 4:57 pm

that is fascinating about spyware..... but it figures ,, user un freindly software designed to spy on the user ....looolz

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