Do self-diagnosers ruin it for the rest of us?

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02 Apr 2010, 8:13 am

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...although I knew my brother was autistic, I just assumed it was some form of a mental handicap. I didn't realize that he had AS, or that AS even existed.
Just wondering--is it common for people not to know much about autism even with autistic people in the family? If so, the doctors have even more explaining to do than I thought. On the other hand, you mentioned not knowing them well, so maybe you grew up separately from your brother?


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02 Apr 2010, 10:12 am

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And let's not even discuss etiquette books! I'd probably get farther reading an instruction manual for something I've never used, translated from the original Japanese with the help of BabelFish, and printed in blurry ink on tissue paper, than trying to understand the people written up in the Miss Manners books, and others of that ilk.


Ugh yeah, and let's not forget the people with a stick GRAFTED into their bum who enforce that. I mean sure, manners and please and thank you are great...but some of that other crap makes no logical sense.


Like thank you notes for a gift that was given in person. You gave it to me and I thanked you. You have been thanked. Doesn't it seem arrogant to demand I thank you in writing, not to mention a waste of money and natural resources?



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02 Apr 2010, 10:18 am

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Without a formal diagnosis you have no leg to stand on in terms of the law, the ADA will most likely not back you up. I am a firm believer in getting a proper diagnosis, self-diagnosis is fine if it gets you thinking and then you go to a professional.


Ok, but referring back to my post on page two what benefit (from the ADA or otherwise) does an official diagnosis as an Aspie confer? If I had this information I might go to the expense and stress of seeing a professional.



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02 Apr 2010, 1:54 pm

Callista wrote:
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...although I knew my brother was autistic, I just assumed it was some form of a mental handicap. I didn't realize that he had AS, or that AS even existed.
Just wondering--is it common for people not to know much about autism even with autistic people in the family? If so, the doctors have even more explaining to do than I thought. On the other hand, you mentioned not knowing them well, so maybe you grew up separately from your brother?


Gah, my bad. I meant I didn't know much about AS/autism in general. My behavioral patterns differed greatly from my brother by the time he was diagnosed. We shared certain things in common, but my mother just assumed I had become very anti-social due to being an adolescent. It wasn't until my late teens and failure to respond to various combinations of medicines that we started piecing stuff together. And then I learned what was actually wrong with my uncle, who is now currently in his late 40's and still with my grandfather (his father).

As for your question, in the late 90's I didn't have access to internet, and our schools did nothing to teach about autism in health classes. Literally, the subject was never discussed at any point, period. My mother simply explained to me that my little brother works differently than most children and to just try to be easy with him. Our way of trying to bond was to play video games together or watch certain cartoons. A lot of the time though I would be the exact opposite, preferring solitude and listening to music constantly.

Culture-wise, the area I grew up in is behind the rest of the country by a few years. Coupled with the fact that by the time autism was becoming more widely understood by public schools, I was past the age where adults would look for certain patterns in a child and it was just assumed that I had issues integrating myself correctly with my fellow classmates. I did exceptionally well in my classes up until late junior high, so no one thought I had any sort of learning disability either. I just stayed under the radar basically.



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02 Apr 2010, 2:58 pm

Callista wrote:
-Joshua- wrote:
...although I knew my brother was autistic, I just assumed it was some form of a mental handicap. I didn't realize that he had AS, or that AS even existed.
Just wondering--is it common for people not to know much about autism even with autistic people in the family? If so, the doctors have even more explaining to do than I thought. On the other hand, you mentioned not knowing them well, so maybe you grew up separately from your brother?


The doctors do almost no explaining. Anything that Joshua- or anybody with an autistic person in the family- knows about autism came from a source other than a doctor.

Ok, yes, I'm somewhat bitterly over-generalizing. But doctors are really just about the worst resource there is for learning about a family member's autism. Probably it's because their time is so expensive so they don't use much of it to explain things. Instead, they hand over a diagnosis and a brief explanation and a pamphlet. Yes. A pamphlet. When our daughter was diagnosed we spent about 20 minutes in the doctor's office getting their explanation. What can really be summed up in 20 minutes? And they gave us 3 pamphlets (I still have them). All actual information came from other parents, teachers, books, the internet (your blog, for one, which I found before finding WP) and of course WrongPlanet.

Vent over. Carry on.



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02 Apr 2010, 4:33 pm

redwulf25_ci wrote:
Shebakoby wrote:
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And let's not even discuss etiquette books! I'd probably get farther reading an instruction manual for something I've never used, translated from the original Japanese with the help of BabelFish, and printed in blurry ink on tissue paper, than trying to understand the people written up in the Miss Manners books, and others of that ilk.


Ugh yeah, and let's not forget the people with a stick GRAFTED into their bum who enforce that. I mean sure, manners and please and thank you are great...but some of that other crap makes no logical sense.


Like thank you notes for a gift that was given in person. You gave it to me and I thanked you. You have been thanked. Doesn't it seem arrogant to demand I thank you in writing, not to mention a waste of money and natural resources?


I agree. I remember I once called someone to say thanks for a gift voucher she sent me and she threw a sulk because I didn't thank her face to face. WTF? I was showing appreciation, for flip's sake.


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02 Apr 2010, 5:25 pm

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I have also met very vicious people with bizarre seemingly contradictory beliefs. And some if the nastiest are ones who think disabled people are pure, sweet, uncomplaining, unbearably passive, almost holy or saintlike, people. Then if you contradict them you aren't like the real disabled people. And the ones they say are real are either crushed into passivity, or else unable to contradict this saintlike view of them. The reality is nobody is really like that but if you dare to say that around these people they will rip you a new one. I once encountered a mother of a supposedly saintly innocent daughter, who got so vicious to me that she was thrown off a mailing list that had never had to throw anyone off before. And at one point she seemed to want me to absolve her of everything she ever did wrong to her daughter, at another point she accused me of psychic attack, it was so weird and over the top. But I've noticed people with that view to be amazingly vicious when provoked and it takes very little to provoke them.


I've met one saint in my life, and I devoted my life to her on the spot. My woman, Courtney, she is the type of person who feels bad when considering how others may have been hurt by statements in the past, and who is perpetually surprised when people aren't genuinely kind and sweet to each other.

I do my best to protect her innocence, as it is a wonderful thing to be cherished and praised, we recently did several personality tests. She's a Jungian Champion/Enneagram Type 2 Helper, and I'm a Mastermind/Investigator.

So basically she's the Superman type, and I'm Lex Luthor. Awesome!



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02 Apr 2010, 8:25 pm

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I have also met very vicious people with bizarre seemingly contradictory beliefs. And some if the nastiest are ones who think disabled people are pure, sweet, uncomplaining, unbearably passive, almost holy or saintlike, people. Then if you contradict them you aren't like the real disabled people. And the ones they say are real are either crushed into passivity, or else unable to contradict this saintlike view of them. The reality is nobody is really like that but if you dare to say that around these people they will rip you a new one. I once encountered a mother of a supposedly saintly innocent daughter, who got so vicious to me that she was thrown off a mailing list that had never had to throw anyone off before. And at one point she seemed to want me to absolve her of everything she ever did wrong to her daughter, at another point she accused me of psychic attack, it was so weird and over the top. But I've noticed people with that view to be amazingly vicious when provoked and it takes very little to provoke them.


I've met one saint in my life, and I devoted my life to her on the spot. My woman, Courtney, she is the type of person who feels bad when considering how others may have been hurt by statements in the past, and who is perpetually surprised when people aren't genuinely kind and sweet to each other.

I do my best to protect her innocence, as it is a wonderful thing to be cherished and praised, we recently did several personality tests. She's a Jungian Champion/Enneagram Type 2 Helper, and I'm a Mastermind/Investigator.

So basically she's the Superman type, and I'm Lex Luthor. Awesome!


I always did get that vibe from those two . . .



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02 Apr 2010, 8:56 pm

Many "self-diagnosed" people don't feel the NEED for a professional diagnosis. These are the people who don't use the "Don't blame me I have Asperger's" excuse. They don't need a formal diagnosis because although they may be 99% sure they are somewhere on the spectrum, they will do their best to not let it hinder their success in life (and will never use AS as an excuse for anything).

As for me, yeah I am pretty sure that i have it. And no thank you, I don't want to deal with most of the psychologists/neurologists/whoever else around here. I have dealt with plenty, and never once did they think that shoving medications down my throat was the wrong answer. They told me themselves that they could not help, and even accused my mom and I of "jumping clinics." Most of the times I could not even answer the questions they threw at me any way, and I didn't even know what AS was at the time so I couldn't ask to be tested.

I had a 0.02 (?) high school GPA and took an equivalency test to leave that hell hole. But right now at the age of 17, I am in college and doing better than I could ever have expected. There are a lot of challenges, but I save most of my energy so that I can force myself to bulldoze through these challenges. The hardest challenge so far wasn't getting mostly A's, but it was having to ask two professors each for a letter recommendation. I did it, but I am having to force myself not to replay the conversations in my head because I will mentally kick myself.

I wish everyone happiness on this forum. I also want to thank everyone for being so nice and welcoming. :D



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02 Apr 2010, 9:51 pm

whats strange is im new and im diagnosed with this syndrome, i think we have 2 sets of aspies the true autistic ones and the ones who are not autistic but have traits of it, as a kid the only 2 traits i had were bad socail skills and fixating on objects of intrest and not having many freinds i always knew i was distant, but it realy started getting worse wen i was older and it still is . this seems more like a phycotic mental illness than AS to me, the new traits are mood swings and lack of empathy, im also very in my own world to the point its almost insane like i will climb a tree to find a certain species of cicada and im 26 years old, so i would say aspergers should be done away with in the new dsm and replaced by autism on a scale of how sevear it is. also it should include more phycological testing to weed out the people who might exibit traits of aspergers becouse even nts have autistic traits as non nts have nt traits if that makes sence