My issue with "self diagnosis".

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27 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

I have chosen the I don't know option, but It seems to me that the greatest reason that I would need an official diagnoses is to be accepted as an aspie by the elitist trapped in their own bubble whiners on this thread.

Why should I bother getting a diagnosis so I can post on a forum?

I may change my profile to self diagnosed just to spite you all!

If you have such a problem with the self duagnosed option contact the creator of the forum and see if he'll remove it. Sure would save us all the hassle of seeing another of these petty arguments springing up.

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27 Dec 2011, 5:43 pm

DreamSofa wrote:

Taken in the context of medicine, self-diagnoses are worth exactly what the patient pays for them.

And a formal diagnosis is worth precisely the same, if you don’t have enough money to pay for it.

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27 Dec 2011, 5:48 pm

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27 Dec 2011, 5:53 pm

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dianthus wrote:

Excuse me if any of this has already been mentioned, I did not read the entire thread closely.

"Dia-" means apart. "Gnosis" is knowledge.

Putting it together "diagnosis" means knowing one thing apart from another; discernment.

"Self diagnosis" is self knowledge, discerning self apart from others, or discerning what self is and is not.

There is nothing in the etymology of this word to suggest that a "qualified professional" is required for diagnosis.

To discredit or dismiss the ability of people to know themselves is the most fundamental power play in human history. It is the underlying basis of all acts of manipulation.

A "wrong diagnosis", is not a proper diagnosis at all. It is a lack of discernment.

YES!

Well said.

Etymology >> ostensible thread topic. :lol:

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27 Dec 2011, 5:55 pm

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hurtloam wrote:

^ Adoration from the US President, high praise indeed.

I also agree with the sentiment expressed by Hurtloam. Things do seem to be getting a little out of hand here. Nobody should feel they need to have a formal diagnosis to be accepted within this community.

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27 Dec 2011, 6:05 pm

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Yes, Draelynn. They accepted you as self-diagnosed, not professionally diagnosed.

Gee, thank you for your condescension and for completely ignoring my entire point.

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27 Dec 2011, 6:31 pm

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* Sensory oddities (visual snow, visual fragmentation, visual pixellation, visual agnosia, auditory, agnosia

This is off-topic now, but as English is not my native language and this discussion is proceeding very fast, I am not really able to join it.
Verdandi, could you please explain these phenomena visual fragmentation and visual pixellation, because I think I experience the same. But I am not sure. I often experience light as pixellated and fragmentated. I see halos around everything. Some people say, that I see "auras". But I am not sure about that. I guess, my eyes see strong lightreflections and "pixillate" them in a way.
Is that what you mean by visual fragmentation and visual pixellation?

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27 Dec 2011, 6:50 pm

Somebody please kill me now. This way, before the end of the night, I can learn/accomplish three things:

1) Whether or not I was right about my self-diagnosis;

2) Which religion - if any - has it right;

3) Never have to worry about reading one of these self-diagnosis debates again.

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27 Dec 2011, 6:56 pm

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Well then ... stop pretending that self-diagnosis means anything, and get a real diagnosis - you may find that you don't have AS/ASD after all!

Self diagnosis is not pretending, it is what it is.....self diagnosis, its not like I am claiming I got diagnosed by a professional now is it. Also professionals are not always right.

But to answer why I don't have a professional diagnoses........I cannot afford it, and I don't see what exactly it would accomplish at this point in time.

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27 Dec 2011, 6:58 pm

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I wonder how many other people have noticed that those who self-diagnose are never wrong about their so-called "diagnosis". Didja also notice that even though a highly competent, appropriately trained, and legally licensed mental-health professional can be wrong, but never, ever a an incompetent, untrained, unlicensed self-diagnosed layman?

Well put, Fnord.

And, heaven forbid that any of us who went through the process of getting a diagnosis should challenge someone's belief that their self-diagnosis is just as valid as a professional diagnosis.

I am self diagnosed, but maybe I am wrong.......I guess not everyone who self diagnoses thinks there is no possibility they could be wrong.

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27 Dec 2011, 7:08 pm

Eloa wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

* Sensory oddities (visual snow, visual fragmentation, visual pixellation, visual agnosia, auditory, agnosia

I don't see halos around things, but when I get a lot of sensory overload my visual snow becomes much more intense and everything I look at starts to resemble a failing monitor, with colored dots breaking everything up.

Fragmentation is seeing what others would perceive as a whole object as bits and pieces instead. I talked about it in this thread several months ago:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt152564.html

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27 Dec 2011, 7:23 pm

Thank you for that link, Verdandi.
I will read it properly.
I relate very much to the "failing monitor, with colored dotsbreaking everything up".

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27 Dec 2011, 8:04 pm

Heh, I have to laugh and think what would happen if a self-diagnosed Aspie gets taking in for 'suspicious' behaviour by law enforcement and tries to say they're AS and nervous but their medical history mentions nothing of it. Although, maybe they'll get them a psyche exam and then it's official. :lol:

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27 Dec 2011, 9:59 pm

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Fnord - what exactly is the treatment for AS that people may possibly be doing so ineffectually?

I've seen posts for self-treatment with marijuana, oxytocin, or both. The former substance is illegal, and the latter substance can only be used under a doctor's prescription. I've even met other Aspies* who swore that these substances were effective in "treating" their condition, but they just seemed like ordinary stoners to me.

(*They said they were Aspies, anyway...)

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27 Dec 2011, 10:01 pm

Fnord wrote:

draelynn wrote:

Fnord - what exactly is the treatment for AS that people may possibly be doing so ineffectually?

So because you met a few people like that, all people who self diagnose are like that?

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27 Dec 2011, 10:16 pm

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draelynn wrote:

Fnord - what exactly is the treatment for AS that people may possibly be doing so ineffectually?

Oxytocin doesn't make people high. I have seen one autistic woman say it turned off her autism, and fraac says it's useful, but I am not sure it's likely to go far as a treatment for autism.

I remember while researching it, I asked someone who was studying to be a therapist about what he thought the effects would be if given to a sociopath, and for some reason he confused oxycontin for oxytocyn.

As far as adults medicating themselves with marijuana, marijuana is itself not particularly harmful, except for possessing any when the police search you. I assume most people who claim this are adults and aware of the legal risks.

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