James Holmes may have Aspergers?

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Oh no, it's the Norwegian Knight Commander over again...

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It's no longer a DSM diagnosis, but considering that researchers still research psychopathy, it's a bit far reaching to claim it's no longer a diagnosis. Also, the people who have the traits described still have those traits. Psychopathy doesn't cease to exist simply because it's no longer in the DSM. When I discuss the topic with my therapist, she does not say "Psychopathy is not a diagnosis."

I never said the media is fine to pin it on mental illness. I have repeatedly said that mental illness does not typically lead to violence, so why do you keep responding as if I support arguments I actually oppose?



Actually, I don't think they are desired traits. I think some people who don't understand psychopathy think they might be, but the reality is that psychopaths are not good for the businesses they end up in.

I do define normal differently, as your definition is overly inclusive. I actually prefer "typical" but the word "normal" keeps getting thrown around in this thread.

Most rampage killers have been shooters, so in this subgroup of killers, weapons used is relevant.

There are no downsides of saving potential lives, by moving back to re-instating the federal assault weapons ban. They are most often used for target practice, and to admire, for those that enjoy them. There are many other options available.

However it is a huge political issue, in that significant number of people do love their assault weapons, and ability to purchase them legally, that is likely not a thing that democrats will push too hard this close to election, to get the gun lobby, and voters "fired" up.

Bullying has got a lot to answer for....

He looked like he was exhausted or drugged. I don't think it's remotely possible to judge his connection to reality according to how he looked after a weekend in jail.

Yeah, and most of the high profile ones have an ASD [or similar disorder that creates social isolation]. Anders, Martin and Cho, for example.

Does A = B in this case (A being ASD or firearm and B being spree killer)?

No, A doesn't equal B. B equals B.

I never said the media is fine to pin it on mental illness. I have repeatedly said that mental illness does not typically lead to violence, so why do you keep responding as if I support arguments I actually oppose?

As far as people who are typical/normal going on spree killings, that's nothing more than wishful thinking. Someone who sets out to kill multiple people in a short period of time is not "normal." This is evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of people do not go on killing sprees - and most especially do not go on them after the situations that set off spree killers.

This does not mean that everyone is a "nice person" and incapable of ever doing anything bad.



Actually, I don't think they are desired traits. I think some people who don't understand psychopathy think they might be, but the reality is that psychopaths are not good for the businesses they end up in.

I do define normal differently, as your definition is overly inclusive. I actually prefer "typical" but the word "normal" keeps getting thrown around in this thread.

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Surely someone with Asperger's who was obsessed with Batman would know what colour the Joker's hair is?

The whole thing about him being the Joker came from someone in the NYPD. According to the relevant person in Colorado, he said nothing of the sort.

There was speculation that Martin potentially could have had an ASD, and ongoing analysis of what Breiviks condition is per Aspergers or Schizophrenia, but there are no examples of individuals to date that have officially been diagnosed with an ASD, that are or have been rampage killers. Per the research I provided, however, close to half, historically have been diagnosed with a mental illness, often schizophrenia.

When I stated subgroup I wasn't referring to ASD's I was referring to all rampage killers, regardless of potential or actual diagnosed condition.

The issue of weapons that I commented on was specific to assault weapons and rampage killing in general, without regard to potential diagnosable conditions.

Well, unfortunately, there is one kind of schizophrenia where the person is not TOTALLY dis-organized, and that is paranoid schizophrenia where the featured symptoms are delusions.
BTW, I never said the Columbine killers were not bullied, I said they were not totally friendless loners as the Media portrayal of most mass killers always seems to be. Your quotes actually prove that, too. Bullied? Hell yeah! Also, warning signs out the yin-yang that got ignored.
While Holmes seems like he was very well prepared, it would have been much simpler & more effective to use explosives to kill a mass number of victims. In this, his thinking is not so organized actually,. Gun clips deplete very rapidly & you run the risk of a real hero tackling you or in Texas, someone with a handgun simply ending the problem. He planned for a long time but if his intention was to kill a large number of people, he actually went about it in a completely illogical way..

Sincerely,
Matthew

Diagnosis shmosis.... it changes with the weather and political climate...

Both ASD's and SH are a collection of varying symptoms, both unreliable in understanding or precision

At least they are not neutering gays any more, just the cultural neutering of aspie males, and females

Martin was officially diagnosed with Asperger's by a psychiatrist; the other psychiatrist that questioned it used incorrect information regarding AS. He's still being treated for AS in a mental hospital. He said he did what he did due to being socially shunned

Anders was said to have it by professionals that assessed him (the latest assessment)

Cho was said to have autism by his grandmother; he was official diagnosed with selective mutism in the US (though lots of his social behavior at school is more in line with an ASD). He also said that he did what he did due to being socially shunned

The point being, it's the mental state of these individuals that led to the killings. Mental state also being affected by any underlying mental disorder, not access to weapons, as access to weapons can be easily circumvented when one has the capacity to do what these individuals did. It's not the disorder by itself that does it, of course, as there's thousands upon thousands of people with social disorders that will most likely be the victims, just as there's thousands of thousands of people who own weapons that won't harm another with such.

As much as people aren't going to want to acknowledge it, disorders that lead to deviate social behavior can lead to these killings [when combined with the "right" personality] due to how society treats the individuals directly and/or indirectly.

In a way, it's the same as terrorist incidents; people have hate for a group, and said hate leads to mass events.

It's not going to change until society changes in how they treat people who're different. Some people bite back, even if said bite isn't proportionate; humans are killers.

Amen to that brother Lord

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-appears-court/story?id=16834757#.UA9NT6CGFak

It was obvious that he was not connected to others in that courtroom, whether it was because of being drugged, exhausted, or associated with potential mental illness.

Professionals that profile criminals made similar observances, of a disconnect with reality, per the link provided above. No conclusive statements have been made by professionals, per a specific mental condition, just observances based on their experience in profiling criminals in the past.

Similar behavior has been described by law enforcement officials per the link above, since the time of arrest.