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29 Apr 2008, 5:57 am

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I certainly wouldn't be caught dead with someone who couldn't spell or use "normal" speech....because it offends me, and makes them stupid.


Seriously?!


Remember, it's good to be impaired this way, but not that way. That way is the way that needs to be fixed, not the way that I am.

Funnily enough, the highest amount of bias towards those with communication difficulties I've seen has come from those with AS [on the 'net]; the irony....


What's so ironic? AS people tend to understand it and PRIDE themselves on it! Autistic, and AS people, HATE CHANGE. Changing a language is the ULTIMATE in STUPIDITY!! !! ! If you ask me, it is LOGICAL that AS people don't like such needless change!

Just YESTERDAY a bunch of IDIOTS used a word claiming it meant one thing. They started a fad, and now THOUSANDS may follow! I told them the word had NOTHING to do with that, and was coined at least 20 YEARS before the technology they claimed it refered to! I even posted a wikipedia article that said the same.

People used to accuse me of using big words JUST on using computer related terms. I estimate that 30% of those terms are fairly meaningless because idiots use them to look big, etc.... Rather than learning WHY something is named something, they assume something else, and end up changing the term.

How long will it be before a printer is called RAM? I mean you write to both of them, they both connect to the computer, etc... By a lot of stupid logic, they must be the same!

FRANKLY, I DON'T like having to remember improper meanings so I can try to determine what people may mean, etc...



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29 Apr 2008, 6:28 am

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You can see how German moved through holland and scandinavia. It even has similar changes in denmark and holland, and each scandinavian country changes it in predictable ways subtley. Danish and German are rumored to have given birth to English.


I've read that the influence of Old Norse was the cause of the collapse of the complex inflectional system (such as -en endings as in oxen and children, mostly replaced by the Scandinavian -s ending for plurals, and Germanic "strong" verbs with 3 forms such as sing-sang-sung becoming "weak" verbs using -ed endings) found in Old English. During the period just before the Norman Conquest English rapidly evolved from being a highly inflected language like Old High German, Latin, and Sanskrit to being an "isolating," word-order-based language like Chinese, the Scandinavian languages (except for Icelandic, which retains the complex inflectional system) did the same thing, they became based on word order instead of lots of complex suffixes and other inflections like you find in Latin.


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29 Apr 2008, 6:33 am

You miss the irony:

Daniel is speaking of those with pragmatic and semantic difficulties with language, both equating to autism; the former equating to AS. People with AS have their own language distortions that are equally as annoying to "normal" people as slang is annoying to those who're sticklers for linguistic conservatism and accuracy (whether AS or no).

A person with AS will deride a person with autism with the usual "ret*d" rhetoric (just as a normal person will do the same to someone with AS), not realizing that they themselves have their own "ret*d" speech; not to mention that they share half of the difficulties of those with autism (pragmatic). Daniel has seen this "high-functioning" snobbery in action many times, and he cannot do anything but shake his head at the vultures that eat their own.



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29 Apr 2008, 7:08 am

Danielismyname wrote:
You miss the irony:

Daniel is speaking of those with pragmatic and semantic difficulties with language, both equating to autism; the former equating to AS. People with AS have their own language distortions that are equally as annoying to "normal" people as slang is annoying to those who're sticklers for linguistic conservatism and accuracy (whether AS or no).

A person with AS will deride a person with autism with the usual "ret*d" rhetoric (just as a normal person will do the same to someone with AS), not realizing that they themselves have their own "ret*d" speech; not to mention that they share half of the difficulties of those with autism (pragmatic). Daniel has seen this "high-functioning" snobbery in action many times, and he cannot do anything but shake his head at the vultures that eat their own.


Well, I have never even used the word STUPID in front of someone while talking about them. I generally don't say ret*d. My step brother is a special case, since he is clearly that way, diagnosed, and knows it. Still, everyone, including me, TRIES to make him feel normal.

STILL, I noticed one thing at some parties and venues. Sometimes some people seem to HUNT ME OUT! I can't get rid of them. In retrospect, I realize they are clearly autistic! At one church, for example, FOUR came to me. BTW the only one I remember the name of was daniel, since he was a regular at that church and people called him by name often. He was probably the low end of normal, not very communicative, lived with his parents, was in his 20s, etc... (Daniel... You didn't happen to live around the vannuys area, did you? I'm just kidding, he would be in his late thirties by now.) A woman might have been a lower functioning AS. She apparently did ok in college, and seemed to only want to talk about accounting.

At the place I currently work, there is an ODD person. I would normally be dead set against him. He has actually levied threats. EXCEPT.... If I never developed sensitivies, learned to keep my mouth shut, not let jokes get out of hand, and not ask every question I had, I might be just like him. I once said something that had to do with my autistic like dislike of proximity, and a coworker said to be CAREFUL, because I started to sound like HE does!

Heck, when starbuline said she did something I always considered babylike, I said I had to start reconsidering my position there. I wouldn't want to overlook a great person for such a relatively minor failing.

In short, seeing a bit of their personal feelings, it makes me, for one, more tolerant.



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29 Apr 2008, 7:39 am

I am constantly picked on and bullied for using large words, just because my vocabulary is larger than most others my age does not mean I should be discriminated! I for one do not like the use of "ebonics" and hate "ghetto" people, people who bastardize the English language just because it is "cool" and just because MTV does it!
I think some people envy me just because I can use a ten letter word on a daily basis. Just because I have a higher vocabulary does not give anybody to call such inane things, and torment me for being smart enough to read through the dictionary when I am in class (Yes, I enjoy reading the dictionary and learning new words).

Only a few people I know actually respect me for using complicated words in my vocabulary, and those people are my parents, my teachers, and my peers also with Asperger's Syndrome.
I say if someone can not understand what I am saying, read a dictionary. I have met so many people who don't even know the meaning of naive! It sickens me!



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29 Apr 2008, 8:29 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
What's so ironic? AS people tend to understand it and PRIDE themselves on it! Autistic, and AS people, HATE CHANGE. Changing a language is the ULTIMATE in STUPIDITY!! !! ! If you ask me, it is LOGICAL that AS people don't like such needless change!


I know that what you about change and keeping the language as it is is a widely spread phenomenon. Not just amongst those with an ASD though I think.

Usually, the older people, grandparents and older parents complain about the change of language that they can observe in the youth.

I, for one, constantly make neologisms.

Everybody remarks on it.

So I know for a fact that many many people like to 'keep the language pure'! Because if they're not amused, they get all worked up about what I say.


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03 May 2008, 5:18 am

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Lately I have been attempting to expand my repertoire.

Truncated locutions? Desist, obtuse drudge!


What's a locution? And isn't "to drudge" to drag something or make something out to be harder than it really is?


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03 May 2008, 6:17 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
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Lately I have been attempting to expand my repertoire.

Truncated locutions? Desist, obtuse drudge!


What's a locution? And isn't "to drudge" to drag something or make something out to be harder than it really is?


locution = style of speech; drudge = a person that labours.

truncated locutions = shortened speech. ie, little words. It also plays to the fact that we aspies can be long winded.

desist = stop; obtuse = idiot/blunt; drudge = labourer, perhaps a menial person.

So i was suggesting that the recipient of my invective is a person fit only for unskilled labour and that they should stop using little words: educate themselves.



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03 May 2008, 6:25 pm

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I am constantly picked on and bullied for using large words, just because my vocabulary is larger than most others my age does not mean I should be discriminated! I for one do not like the use of "ebonics" and hate "ghetto" people, people who bastardize the English language just because it is "cool" and just because MTV does it!
I think some people envy me just because I can use a ten letter word on a daily basis. Just because I have a higher vocabulary does not give anybody to call such inane things, and torment me for being smart enough to read through the dictionary when I am in class (Yes, I enjoy reading the dictionary and learning new words).

Only a few people I know actually respect me for using complicated words in my vocabulary, and those people are my parents, my teachers, and my peers also with Asperger's Syndrome.
I say if someone can not understand what I am saying, read a dictionary. I have met so many people who don't even know the meaning of naive! It sickens me!


Society these days tends to belittle people who display knowledge, especially in America. It's the 'jock' mentality, where physical beauty/prowess is far more valuable than mental prowess. When you use terminology these people aren't familiar with, some teeny part of their brain says, "Hey! This person is trying to make me feel stupid. I'll show him/her who's stupid - I'll kick their..." Big words make people with average IQs feel 'below average.' It's a knee-jerk reaction for them to persecute someone else who displays intelligence (and isn't afraid to show it). At least in countries like Japan, displays of intelligence aren't thwarted. They're encouraged and, most times, expected.


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08 May 2008, 10:58 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
Lately I have been attempting to expand my repertoire.

Truncated locutions? Desist, obtuse drudge!


What's a locution? And isn't "to drudge" to drag something or make something out to be harder than it really is?


locution = style of speech; drudge = a person that labours.

truncated locutions = shortened speech. ie, little words. It also plays to the fact that we aspies can be long winded.

desist = stop; obtuse = idiot/blunt; drudge = labourer, perhaps a menial person.

So i was suggesting that the recipient of my invective is a person fit only for unskilled labour and that they should stop using little words: educate themselves.


Ahhhh, I knew I was close with drudge. Yes I knew the ones I didn't mention, I was just having trouble with "locution" because prior to our current exchange I had not encountered such an antediluvian abstract construct. :wink:


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08 May 2008, 11:49 am

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yeah.

I use big words occasionally, as an English Major, you sorta do have to sound smart every once in a blue moon, and I prefer to lacitate my friends, with my vocabularium.


Hmm... I can't seem to find either lacitate or vocabularium in my dictionary.