25 Jan 2007, 2:35 pm
25 Jan 2007, 2:36 pm
25 Jan 2007, 2:44 pm
logitechdog wrote:
What you don't understand is what advice is... you tailor it to the person or persons, not people that are not...
You're still limiting yourself in scope. Think big picture. I know it's hard and it's near impossible at first, but with practice it gets easier. Keep trying, you can do it!
25 Jan 2007, 4:11 pm
25 Jan 2007, 4:24 pm
I'll just give my opinion on this topic.
As an autistic person, I've learned that doing what my parents do is almost always right. And if there's something that I've learned from my parents, it is to RESPECT WOMEN.
Well, actually I can't really give interesting points on this, because I'm only 13 years old. And most of the time I'm shy when I talk to girls, too.
Don't worry, I won't grow into one of those monsters. 
25 Jan 2007, 5:26 pm
25 Jan 2007, 5:50 pm
25 Jan 2007, 6:10 pm
25 Jan 2007, 6:22 pm
snake321 wrote:
respecting women doesn't mean women are immune to any social criticism. I've stood up for women before, on here and other boards. I am not a sexist, and i do not view women as objects.
In fact, I'll repeat this again, it is stupid that if a man gets alot of action he's treated like a hero or like an icon, but if a woman gets alot of action, she's treated like a whore or a tramp. This is unfair to women in my eyes.
But, women do have it easier finding mates than men, this is true of NTs or aspies. If you argue otherwise then your just a sexist piece of crap who can't look at OBVIOUS facts. The man does ALL the courting. Yeah, a woman might not be able to find "Mr. Right" right away, but she isn't treated like she's physically repulsive to the point that no man would be interested in her, and she has ALOT more options than the man does. essentailly speaking, lets say 3 men a week ask a woman out, eventually she's going to like one of them and persue a relationship, she just has to take her pic when it gets to one she likes. An aspie man usually goes his whole life without even so much as an intimate touch. We're completely alienated. Even if a woman can't find "Mr. Right" right away, she CAN find "Mr. Right Now", which is atleast SOMETHING. As much as the feminist whine about "not just anyone will do", you'll pick one of them that interests you enough to have a one night stand before you'll do without. Of coarse you'd lie about it too.
A man has to obtain a woman, a woman only needs to find and/or pick a man. This is not a sexist statement, it is plain fact. It goes back to the wild, back when men fought over a single woman and the woman would pick the winner to mate with. The greater objective was for the man to convince the woman, the woman doesn't need to do as much to convince the man. Because men had higher sex drive, and generally we still do.
This coming from me, a man who has stood up against sexist men, and fought against people who tried to justify rape, I have fought against sexist men who have said woman belong in kitchens, I fought against them. But, feminism is equally as sexist, as they are purely emotional thinkers, they only think about themselves (and they feel left out from being just as big a victim I guess, which is kinda stupid, because honestly, you don't wanna go through what I go through). All logic tends to get thrown right out the window by feminists.
But I have noticed some sexist men on here too though, this needs to stop as well because it's horrendous and it only hurts your credibility and furthers you from ever meeting someone (of coarse not bowing down to feminists and leaving them to dominate as they please apparently furthers men from it too). Like the guy in the love/dating section trolling on about "god screwed me over by making me aspie" and then ranting and generalising about females, saying theyr all filth or whatever, this guy needs to be restrained, he might end up raping someone.
I am not bias towards any gender, I call things down the middle. That's why nobody ever sees eye to eye with me because everyone wants "their tribe" to dominate ( a "tribe" can be gender, political labels, religious labels, musical labels, race, or anything).
Honestly, I think they should legalise willful prostitution, where women do it of their own will, because this is a good fix for involuntary celibacy, which IS a cause of alot of society's ills.... This can make some men go out and do horrible things that I wouldn't ever condone, such as molestation, rape, and sometimes even murder. Why do you think men rape smaller men in prisons (this goes for women in prison too), or why preists are getting caught molesting kids? It's not right, and I'm strong enough to say I would never do something like that (I'd shoot myself in the head first). Most people NEED intimate contact, which for most people means sexual intimacy. Females do too, but seeing as they don't generally have a problem being successful in socialising and attracting mates as much as her male counterparts, she never feels that need. If she does begin to feel that need she'll find someone to fulfill it. And of coarse the feminist will lie about this too.
SOME females, very few though, who are critically mentally handicapped will have a hard time attracting a mate. This is why I think every legal and willing brothel (if they did things the right way and legalized **willing** prostitution) would have atleast 2 or 3 male prostitutes as well. Either that or females in society need a courting revolution where the females step up to court the males half way, and play on an even basis (which I know the feminist also don't want, because really they want dominance, they want us "omega males" to be starved of any intimate companionship or compassion and live like ghosts).
That's my 2 cents on the issue, I'm sure alot of political correctness boneheads and psycho feminist will try to spin doctor my words and paint me in a different light, but that's ok because unlike feminist and unlike the sexist men on here, I believe in gender equality.
In fact, I'll repeat this again, it is stupid that if a man gets alot of action he's treated like a hero or like an icon, but if a woman gets alot of action, she's treated like a whore or a tramp. This is unfair to women in my eyes.
But, women do have it easier finding mates than men, this is true of NTs or aspies. If you argue otherwise then your just a sexist piece of crap who can't look at OBVIOUS facts. The man does ALL the courting. Yeah, a woman might not be able to find "Mr. Right" right away, but she isn't treated like she's physically repulsive to the point that no man would be interested in her, and she has ALOT more options than the man does. essentailly speaking, lets say 3 men a week ask a woman out, eventually she's going to like one of them and persue a relationship, she just has to take her pic when it gets to one she likes. An aspie man usually goes his whole life without even so much as an intimate touch. We're completely alienated. Even if a woman can't find "Mr. Right" right away, she CAN find "Mr. Right Now", which is atleast SOMETHING. As much as the feminist whine about "not just anyone will do", you'll pick one of them that interests you enough to have a one night stand before you'll do without. Of coarse you'd lie about it too.
A man has to obtain a woman, a woman only needs to find and/or pick a man. This is not a sexist statement, it is plain fact. It goes back to the wild, back when men fought over a single woman and the woman would pick the winner to mate with. The greater objective was for the man to convince the woman, the woman doesn't need to do as much to convince the man. Because men had higher sex drive, and generally we still do.
This coming from me, a man who has stood up against sexist men, and fought against people who tried to justify rape, I have fought against sexist men who have said woman belong in kitchens, I fought against them. But, feminism is equally as sexist, as they are purely emotional thinkers, they only think about themselves (and they feel left out from being just as big a victim I guess, which is kinda stupid, because honestly, you don't wanna go through what I go through). All logic tends to get thrown right out the window by feminists.
But I have noticed some sexist men on here too though, this needs to stop as well because it's horrendous and it only hurts your credibility and furthers you from ever meeting someone (of coarse not bowing down to feminists and leaving them to dominate as they please apparently furthers men from it too). Like the guy in the love/dating section trolling on about "god screwed me over by making me aspie" and then ranting and generalising about females, saying theyr all filth or whatever, this guy needs to be restrained, he might end up raping someone.
I am not bias towards any gender, I call things down the middle. That's why nobody ever sees eye to eye with me because everyone wants "their tribe" to dominate ( a "tribe" can be gender, political labels, religious labels, musical labels, race, or anything).
Honestly, I think they should legalise willful prostitution, where women do it of their own will, because this is a good fix for involuntary celibacy, which IS a cause of alot of society's ills.... This can make some men go out and do horrible things that I wouldn't ever condone, such as molestation, rape, and sometimes even murder. Why do you think men rape smaller men in prisons (this goes for women in prison too), or why preists are getting caught molesting kids? It's not right, and I'm strong enough to say I would never do something like that (I'd shoot myself in the head first). Most people NEED intimate contact, which for most people means sexual intimacy. Females do too, but seeing as they don't generally have a problem being successful in socialising and attracting mates as much as her male counterparts, she never feels that need. If she does begin to feel that need she'll find someone to fulfill it. And of coarse the feminist will lie about this too.
SOME females, very few though, who are critically mentally handicapped will have a hard time attracting a mate. This is why I think every legal and willing brothel (if they did things the right way and legalized **willing** prostitution) would have atleast 2 or 3 male prostitutes as well. Either that or females in society need a courting revolution where the females step up to court the males half way, and play on an even basis (which I know the feminist also don't want, because really they want dominance, they want us "omega males" to be starved of any intimate companionship or compassion and live like ghosts).
That's my 2 cents on the issue, I'm sure alot of political correctness boneheads and psycho feminist will try to spin doctor my words and paint me in a different light, but that's ok because unlike feminist and unlike the sexist men on here, I believe in gender equality.
Thanks for this intelligent post. I have to say I agree with almost everything you wrote. The one thing I disagree with is your assertion that males do all the courting. Cross-cultural studies of human mating behavior have shown that this is only what men THINK; in reality women do an equal amount of attracting/courting behaviors, they are just more subtle and have more to do with non-verbal cues etc. In other words, female courting behaviors act below the threshold of consciousness for the most part. The aforementioned studies have also consistently shown that women are almost always the ones who "initiate" courting by actively "luring" the man into making his move, even though from his point of view he is the one initiating contact. I have to refer once more to a great book, "Anatomy of Love" by Helen Fisher (I think it's the third time I've mentioned that book on WP in the last week, hehe).
25 Jan 2007, 6:27 pm
Apostledanub wrote:
I'll just give my opinion on this topic.
As an autistic person, I've learned that doing what my parents do is almost always right. And if there's something that I've learned from my parents, it is to RESPECT WOMEN.
Well, actually I can't really give interesting points on this, because I'm only 13 years old. And most of the time I'm shy when I talk to girls, too.
Don't worry, I won't grow into one of those monsters.
As an autistic person, I've learned that doing what my parents do is almost always right. And if there's something that I've learned from my parents, it is to RESPECT WOMEN.
Well, actually I can't really give interesting points on this, because I'm only 13 years old. And most of the time I'm shy when I talk to girls, too.
Don't worry, I won't grow into one of those monsters.
Apostledanub, those are the words of a real sweetheart! Try and stay that way, the world needs more of it.
25 Jan 2007, 6:28 pm
25 Jan 2007, 6:39 pm
25 Jan 2007, 6:50 pm
Logitechdog,
I'm glad you're getting help for it; I got help with mine for the past 7 months now and it's been a tremendous help! I wouldn't have been able to be more satisfied with my life without it. 
(addendum since you edited the post immediately preceding this one)
My life is good now, but it was not always that way. It was not good at all for most of last year, and that was when I sought professional help. It's all detailed in the In love w/ aspie stickied thread in the Adult section. Seriously, and I mean only if you want to do so, read it if you think it will be helpful in understanding where I'm coming from. I'm not here to belittle anybody's problems, and I'm sorry if it looked like I was belittling yours. My issues and my life are not as difficult now as some other people's, but it was really bad growing up. I talk about a few of those issues in that stickied thread, and there are more too that I didn't say. But the point about bringing up your issues specifically, is that a lot of times things have more meaning when very personal examples are given, and that's the only reason I mentioned them here. Perhaps it was too personal to do that, and I'm sorry to you for that.
I look on WP as a reminder to myself what I used to be and what I still am, to remind myself of the struggles that we face as Aspies and as human beings who have not found our place in this world. The overwhelming feeling I get from your posts is a sense of frustration, and believe it or not, I understand it. I do understand the anger, and I do understand the frustration, and I do understand what it's like to be looked upon as stupid or rude or immature or all sorts of junk, through no fault of our own. I bet you have experienced all of this too, just as many other WPers have. But it doesn't mean that any of us have to just "accept how things are." If we aren't happy with our lives, then we have the power to change it if we want to do so. I had some problems that I didn't know how to deal with, so that's when I contacted the psychiatric services here at school. I want my life to be better, and I'm going to do something about it. Just as you are seeking help for your difficulties too; you want your life to be better, and you are going to do something about it. When I started the psychiatric intervention, did I think I was going to end up like how I am now, with my particular mindset? No, I had no clue. Honestly, my mindset at the start was more like yours. So who knows what I will think when all the intervention is finished? Who knows what any of us will think after professional help is given and our lives are much better? So long as we keep our focus on improving our own lives and our understanding of the world, instead of accepting a horrible life and understanding nothing.
Last edited by Stinkypuppy on 25 Jan 2007, 7:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
25 Jan 2007, 6:59 pm
25 Jan 2007, 7:07 pm
Melantha wrote:
snake321 wrote:
respecting women doesn't mean women are immune to any social criticism. I've stood up for women before, on here and other boards. I am not a sexist, and i do not view women as objects.
In fact, I'll repeat this again, it is stupid that if a man gets alot of action he's treated like a hero or like an icon, but if a woman gets alot of action, she's treated like a whore or a tramp. This is unfair to women in my eyes.
But, women do have it easier finding mates than men, this is true of NTs or aspies. If you argue otherwise then your just a sexist piece of crap who can't look at OBVIOUS facts. The man does ALL the courting. Yeah, a woman might not be able to find "Mr. Right" right away, but she isn't treated like she's physically repulsive to the point that no man would be interested in her, and she has ALOT more options than the man does. essentailly speaking, lets say 3 men a week ask a woman out, eventually she's going to like one of them and persue a relationship, she just has to take her pic when it gets to one she likes. An aspie man usually goes his whole life without even so much as an intimate touch. We're completely alienated. Even if a woman can't find "Mr. Right" right away, she CAN find "Mr. Right Now", which is atleast SOMETHING. As much as the feminist whine about "not just anyone will do", you'll pick one of them that interests you enough to have a one night stand before you'll do without. Of coarse you'd lie about it too.
A man has to obtain a woman, a woman only needs to find and/or pick a man. This is not a sexist statement, it is plain fact. It goes back to the wild, back when men fought over a single woman and the woman would pick the winner to mate with. The greater objective was for the man to convince the woman, the woman doesn't need to do as much to convince the man. Because men had higher sex drive, and generally we still do.
This coming from me, a man who has stood up against sexist men, and fought against people who tried to justify rape, I have fought against sexist men who have said woman belong in kitchens, I fought against them. But, feminism is equally as sexist, as they are purely emotional thinkers, they only think about themselves (and they feel left out from being just as big a victim I guess, which is kinda stupid, because honestly, you don't wanna go through what I go through). All logic tends to get thrown right out the window by feminists.
But I have noticed some sexist men on here too though, this needs to stop as well because it's horrendous and it only hurts your credibility and furthers you from ever meeting someone (of coarse not bowing down to feminists and leaving them to dominate as they please apparently furthers men from it too). Like the guy in the love/dating section trolling on about "god screwed me over by making me aspie" and then ranting and generalising about females, saying theyr all filth or whatever, this guy needs to be restrained, he might end up raping someone.
I am not bias towards any gender, I call things down the middle. That's why nobody ever sees eye to eye with me because everyone wants "their tribe" to dominate ( a "tribe" can be gender, political labels, religious labels, musical labels, race, or anything).
Honestly, I think they should legalise willful prostitution, where women do it of their own will, because this is a good fix for involuntary celibacy, which IS a cause of alot of society's ills.... This can make some men go out and do horrible things that I wouldn't ever condone, such as molestation, rape, and sometimes even murder. Why do you think men rape smaller men in prisons (this goes for women in prison too), or why preists are getting caught molesting kids? It's not right, and I'm strong enough to say I would never do something like that (I'd shoot myself in the head first). Most people NEED intimate contact, which for most people means sexual intimacy. Females do too, but seeing as they don't generally have a problem being successful in socialising and attracting mates as much as her male counterparts, she never feels that need. If she does begin to feel that need she'll find someone to fulfill it. And of coarse the feminist will lie about this too.
SOME females, very few though, who are critically mentally handicapped will have a hard time attracting a mate. This is why I think every legal and willing brothel (if they did things the right way and legalized **willing** prostitution) would have atleast 2 or 3 male prostitutes as well. Either that or females in society need a courting revolution where the females step up to court the males half way, and play on an even basis (which I know the feminist also don't want, because really they want dominance, they want us "omega males" to be starved of any intimate companionship or compassion and live like ghosts).
That's my 2 cents on the issue, I'm sure alot of political correctness boneheads and psycho feminist will try to spin doctor my words and paint me in a different light, but that's ok because unlike feminist and unlike the sexist men on here, I believe in gender equality.
In fact, I'll repeat this again, it is stupid that if a man gets alot of action he's treated like a hero or like an icon, but if a woman gets alot of action, she's treated like a whore or a tramp. This is unfair to women in my eyes.
But, women do have it easier finding mates than men, this is true of NTs or aspies. If you argue otherwise then your just a sexist piece of crap who can't look at OBVIOUS facts. The man does ALL the courting. Yeah, a woman might not be able to find "Mr. Right" right away, but she isn't treated like she's physically repulsive to the point that no man would be interested in her, and she has ALOT more options than the man does. essentailly speaking, lets say 3 men a week ask a woman out, eventually she's going to like one of them and persue a relationship, she just has to take her pic when it gets to one she likes. An aspie man usually goes his whole life without even so much as an intimate touch. We're completely alienated. Even if a woman can't find "Mr. Right" right away, she CAN find "Mr. Right Now", which is atleast SOMETHING. As much as the feminist whine about "not just anyone will do", you'll pick one of them that interests you enough to have a one night stand before you'll do without. Of coarse you'd lie about it too.
A man has to obtain a woman, a woman only needs to find and/or pick a man. This is not a sexist statement, it is plain fact. It goes back to the wild, back when men fought over a single woman and the woman would pick the winner to mate with. The greater objective was for the man to convince the woman, the woman doesn't need to do as much to convince the man. Because men had higher sex drive, and generally we still do.
This coming from me, a man who has stood up against sexist men, and fought against people who tried to justify rape, I have fought against sexist men who have said woman belong in kitchens, I fought against them. But, feminism is equally as sexist, as they are purely emotional thinkers, they only think about themselves (and they feel left out from being just as big a victim I guess, which is kinda stupid, because honestly, you don't wanna go through what I go through). All logic tends to get thrown right out the window by feminists.
But I have noticed some sexist men on here too though, this needs to stop as well because it's horrendous and it only hurts your credibility and furthers you from ever meeting someone (of coarse not bowing down to feminists and leaving them to dominate as they please apparently furthers men from it too). Like the guy in the love/dating section trolling on about "god screwed me over by making me aspie" and then ranting and generalising about females, saying theyr all filth or whatever, this guy needs to be restrained, he might end up raping someone.
I am not bias towards any gender, I call things down the middle. That's why nobody ever sees eye to eye with me because everyone wants "their tribe" to dominate ( a "tribe" can be gender, political labels, religious labels, musical labels, race, or anything).
Honestly, I think they should legalise willful prostitution, where women do it of their own will, because this is a good fix for involuntary celibacy, which IS a cause of alot of society's ills.... This can make some men go out and do horrible things that I wouldn't ever condone, such as molestation, rape, and sometimes even murder. Why do you think men rape smaller men in prisons (this goes for women in prison too), or why preists are getting caught molesting kids? It's not right, and I'm strong enough to say I would never do something like that (I'd shoot myself in the head first). Most people NEED intimate contact, which for most people means sexual intimacy. Females do too, but seeing as they don't generally have a problem being successful in socialising and attracting mates as much as her male counterparts, she never feels that need. If she does begin to feel that need she'll find someone to fulfill it. And of coarse the feminist will lie about this too.
SOME females, very few though, who are critically mentally handicapped will have a hard time attracting a mate. This is why I think every legal and willing brothel (if they did things the right way and legalized **willing** prostitution) would have atleast 2 or 3 male prostitutes as well. Either that or females in society need a courting revolution where the females step up to court the males half way, and play on an even basis (which I know the feminist also don't want, because really they want dominance, they want us "omega males" to be starved of any intimate companionship or compassion and live like ghosts).
That's my 2 cents on the issue, I'm sure alot of political correctness boneheads and psycho feminist will try to spin doctor my words and paint me in a different light, but that's ok because unlike feminist and unlike the sexist men on here, I believe in gender equality.
Thanks for this intelligent post. I have to say I agree with almost everything you wrote. The one thing I disagree with is your assertion that males do all the courting. Cross-cultural studies of human mating behavior have shown that this is only what men THINK; in reality women do an equal amount of attracting/courting behaviors, they are just more subtle and have more to do with non-verbal cues etc. In other words, female courting behaviors act below the threshold of consciousness for the most part. The aforementioned studies have also consistently shown that women are almost always the ones who "initiate" courting by actively "luring" the man into making his move, even though from his point of view he is the one initiating contact. I have to refer once more to a great book, "Anatomy of Love" by Helen Fisher (I think it's the third time I've mentioned that book on WP in the last week, hehe).
Ok, so if women do the courting, or even 50/50 (like it should be), then count up all the female aspies on here who have boyfriends and then count all the male aspies on here who have girlfriends (not including the Textbook Syndrome cases where they read about AS and think they must have it, but the real ones). Or go into an autism group, almost all the females are already taken by NT guys, and all the guys are lonely.
Society, as degrating to women as this may be, promotes females as sex objects. I don't agree with it, but I don't make the facts either. However, being the "object" puts all the cards in the woman's hand. It gives women power over men. Men have control of the world financially, but women have control of the world through the power of objectification.
25 Jan 2007, 7:14 pm
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