Neurotypical Privilege

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That is exactly how privilege works. It's not about fault, its about circumstances, and how the circumstances for the black man are inherently harder than for the white man, and that he'll need to pay attention to it or potentially pay for it.

The same thing is true for the women, for the non-heteronormative, and for the disabled.

It's inherently harder for people, because of their circumstances, and they have to pay attention to it, or they have to pay.

And the privilege for those who are that way, is to not have to think about it. Is to not have to worry, is to not need to pay.

Neurotypicals, because of their situation, have it easier than us, not only because we are disabled and they are not, but because they are the ones in power, and we are not. It's not because of our disability; its because given all things equal, we are not treated the same.

Sorry.

It's ok , Verdandi. I just think you may be wasting your time and effort with this one.

P.S. BTW, Tuttle, what is that tiger chewing on?

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@Verdandi

Oh, how I could write a book just on you. (Take it as a compliment for which it was intended)

You do realize you have marginalized yourself in all this don't you?

So to answer you on your [redacted]:

You have taken two posts that had nothing to do with you, personalized it, and went into bully mode. Attacking me for making an observation that I feel was justified just like you feel justified in yours. That's delusional and twisting the facts.

Never did I say that there wasn't privilege. You have heavily implied that I have, how is that not [redacted] and twisting the facts?

Thinking I am bullying you, because I don't agree with you is [redacted].

Thinking that I have am going to sit here and have an argument with you over things I never said is [redacted] as well.

You appear to be unable to articulate a definition for what constitutes a "privilege group". This allows you to arbitrarily identify some things as groups, and dismiss others as not groups.

I would not of responded, however, to say I am "entirely false", "outright lies", "absurdities", "straw man" coming from someone who fails to provide a basic definition of a "privilege group", and cannot even explain oneself -Makes me think you have an agenda and are not intellectually honest.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_ ... inequality)

Wiki definition is just that one group has an advantage over another.

Quoted: Privilege is a way of framing issues surrounding social inequality, focusing as much on the advantages that one group accrues from society as on the disadvantages that another group experiences

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Riddle me this: Why did you attempt to shut down a discussion on privilege by deflecting the argument to members of a marginalized group you say are self-serving? For such a sensitive matter as privilege, which brings down minority stress upon those who lack it, by doing that you are essentially invalidating their experiences.

Think of privilege as the way one group subtly robs another through sociocultural structures.

It's a toughbook! Toughbooks are fully ruggedized computers made by panasonic. MIL-STD-810G, IP65 computers.

So rated for things like being hosed off, being dropped from 6 feet, being buried in sand, high temperatures, low temperatures, and such. They're tested by being shook with video playing to replicate working in a humvee.

Toughbooks are the laptops that the police tend to use, verizon and such tends to use for the people who travel to all the houses everywhere, and military people use.

Some group got one of them to test its ruggedization. To test this they included giving it to a tiger after crushing doritos in it, and then giving it to an elephant. And then they shot it, but even after they shot it it still booted and was usable. And then they shot it with bigger bullets.

The pictures of tiger+toughbook are ADORABLE to me.

Oh, and both my boyfriend and I use used toughbooks, because ruggedized computers are so very useful to have. I'm so dependent on my electronics that not needing to worry about them breaking is really important to me.

Where did you get the notion that I can't articulate a definition for what constitutes a privileged group? I listed several a couple of pages back and I can explain why each of them is privileged. For the most part, it's because there are systems that privilege such people socially, economically, and politically. Society is structured to privilege white people, men, cisgender people, abled people, etc. There are also systems that serve as obstacles and encourage violence against people who do not fit into these groups - hence why, despite the existence of male privilege, so many black men are harassed by police, sent to jail with disproportionate sentences, even killed for doing absolutely nothing wrong and their killers often walk free.



You're making things up here. I have talked about privilege numerous times on this forum over the three years and two months since I've registered. It is not something I have difficulty defining. And none of this has anything to do with my response to you, because your statement was contentious and false.

Our interaction had nothing to do with whether I could define privilege or not. Had you asked, "what is privilege?" instead of saying this:



Your definition of privilege is false and misleading. You prop up a straw man claiming that any group can be arbitrarily labeled as privileged by only listing the positives and ignoring the negatives. Despite the fact that you in no way asked "Can you define privilege for me?" your attempt to claim I cannot define privilege is just twisting my words into something they were never intended to address. It would be like telling someone that they're wrong for saying "2+2=4" because they didn't take the time to explain that "1+1=2" first.

Reading agendas and intellectual dishonesty into my post is argument ad hominem. Which is another logical fallacy. You're trying to discredit me based on things I didn't say, and asserting that these things must exist because you do not like the words I used.

I assume "rob" is not literal.

So "the poor" are a privilege group ? Because they take money from non-poor people in form of taxation and benefits.

Hi how are you? Glad to hear it now please stop trying to get my attention.

Doubtful.



This is a meaningless statement.



"[redacted]" is medical terminology referring to psychoses and psychotic mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, schizoaffective, bipolar disorder, etc. I think what you're trying to say is that you believe I am mistaken.



Wrong. The first post was not directed at me, nor did I claim it was. I simply posted what constitutes a privileged group and why, and included information about racist discrimination that puts the existence of privilege and marginalization well beyond the "self-serving bias" characterization you used.

You responded, repeating the "self-serving bias" comment a second time.



I am sorry you are reading implications in my words. I am not trying to "imply" things. I am stating things that I understand to be factual and true.



Again, I am not [redacted]. I do not have a psychotic disorder, and using such terminology as an insult reflects the ways in which mental illness is stigmatized in western society. However, you are mistaken in asserting that I said you were bullying me. I did not call you a bully, nor did I use the word "bully" in any of my responses to you. I used the word "bully" in reference to another poster, but not in reference to her actions toward me personally, but in reference to her behavior on this forum toward multiple people. It's not that hard to get simple facts straight.



I can't see where I asserted you said things you did not say, since the text I responded to is quoted directly above what I wrote.

So your entire response to me here appears to be a work of fiction. It has nothing to do with anything I wrote in response to you and everything to do with things that occurred strictly in your head.

You seem to be obsessed with claiming poor people are privileged. Why don't you try to develop that into a real argument instead of the inept "gotcha" that you seem to enjoy so much?

No, it showed that white men felt safer in asserting they were discriminated against, and did not experience the same kind of social "punishment" that women and black men experienced when asserting that they were discriminated against.

Did you actually read the studies I linked?

1. You do a lot of writing, but fail at defining privilege group?

2. As I pointed out earlier, privilege exists for all groups. So, sure, it exists for white, able bodied, cis people.



1. Once again, a lot of words, and no definition of privilege group.




1. My definition of "privilege group" is consistent with the Wikipedia definition of a privilege group that I provided earlier.

2. All you can say is "false", "fallacy". "Strawman", "ad hominen" ... and still have failed to define privilege group.

3. I believe you don't define the term because you want to arbitrarily decide a group based on your agenda

a. "Minority petroleum workers suffering from absesots posioning" .. Nah ... they are minority so they aren't in a privilege group.
b. "White petroleum workers suffering from absesots posioning" .. YES! That is a privilege group because it fits my agenda.

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If I see something worth responding to, then I will respond to it.