28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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So, the headline should've been "88% of murderers aren't ASD. Better watch out for those non-autistics."

Oh really? Okay, then this BS article is dismissed. I was wondering about this, the confidence with which they were saying the people were autistic. 28%? Who cares? There's probably more people in the general public that show traits of autism than that lol. As for the 2.6% who were diagnosable, I'd assume their life histories were worsened by lack of diagnosis. I bet a decent number were only diagnosed after their crime. Conditions like Asperger's only began being diagnosed officially in the 90s after all. John Elder Robinson talks in his book Look Me In The Eye about knowing he was different, knowing there was something wrong with him. He felt like the 'office psychopath' constantly being threatened with exposure for what he was. That kind of poor self image, without an eventual autism diagnosis, could lead to a self fulfilling prophecy. Daily Fail indeed. Pathetic scare mongering. It certainly upset me a bit. There should be fines for stupidity. "Newspapers" like that couldn't operate.

We mentioned Adam Lanza earlier, here is what Alex had to say (interview on CNN):

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/opinion/p ... index.html

Am I the only one who finds it odd that Shipley murdered possibly 200 or more of his patients in a place called Todmorden?

They are just looking for a scapegoat so they won't have to acknowledge the fact that their own aggressive, bullying behavior actually has a serious negative impact on the victims of their bullying and rejection. Elliot Rodger is only the next one to be connected with AS in this manner. There will be an endless stream of others until society learns to look in the mirror and take responsibility for their own selfishness. Its just the old "pass the buck", "point the finger" routine. See pic at link below:

http://oi44.tinypic.com/10wv9jm.jpg

Here's another way to look at the faulty logic and sensationalism involved. Hitler was a mass murderer. Mussolini was a mass murderer. Stalin was a mass murderer. All three were Christians (more or less). Therefore we may infer that all Christians are mass murderers. Such logic only passes the buck, valid or not.

One thing annoys me endlessly each and every time one of these mass shootings takes place in which the shooter is later found to have been bullied or otherwise mistreated by his victims (or by people who were similar enough to his victims to be represented by them). In this case there is no room for doubt because Elliot Rodgers spelled it out explicitly in his YouTube video. The thing that annoys me is the way that the news media stirs up mass sympathy for the victims while saying little or nothing about the fact that those same people were the ones who spent years tormenting, rejecting and otherwise abusing the shooter. This does not excuse the shooting, but if people play with fire, they should expect the possibility of getting burned. We have yet to see all the candlelight vigils and walls of cards and teddy bears for the victims begin in this one yet. If those "victims" had not bullied and rejected the shooter to begin with, then none of it would have happened and everybody would be happier for it. It all boils down to the Golden Rule.

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Surprised no one's mentioned Elliot Rodger yet, or that the press is already over the rumor that he was autistic.

Also, ASAN posted this in response to the study from the OP:

http://autisticadvocacy.org/2014/05/asa ... -violence/

Concerns Over Rodger's Well Being Reported

Schifman said in recent weeks that Rodger?s parents were concerned for their son's well being and reported his disturbing YouTube videos to police, which lead to an investigation. According to Schifman, police interviewed Rodger and found him to be ?polite and kind.? He did not specify which law enforcement division conducted the interview.

A social worker also contacted police about Rodger last week, said Schifman.

Brown said a YouTube video titled "Elliot Rodger's Retribution" appeared to be linked to the crime. In the video, a man who identifies himself as Elliot Rodger sits in the driver's seat of a car as he promises "retribution" and discusses his "loneliness, rejection and unfulfilled desires."

"Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men but never to me," he said in the video. He added that it would be his last video.

Schifman said Rodger was diagnosed as being a high-functioning patient with Asperger syndrome and had trouble making friends.

"There was an incident probably a year and a half ago where he was...he fell from a balcony at a party or was thrown off of it. I think he was probably a victim from my understanding of bullying throughout his life... I'm sure that had played a role in the terrible consequences from last night," the lawyer said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-uc-san ... d=23853918

Yeah so like HIPAA it's a rumor.

Also, even if he genuinely was autistic, there's no causation between autism and murder, which means it's irrelevant information.

Dude went off and killed seven women because he was angry that he didn't get a girlfriend like every boy apparently thinks he's entitled to.

Also, he's part of that 70% of spree killers who are white dudes, but no one will be talking about his whiteness or his dudeness.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/ ... shootings/

Awesome, thanks for posting that, I hadn't seen it.



That really disgusts me. What a stupid, horrible thing for a teacher to say. I can't even explain how many different ways it is wrong.

You're welcome. And yes, me too! How can a teacher be so stupid.

Thought this might be pertinent since this thread is supposedly about not making assumptions about groups of people ...

Quoted: ".... according to the FBI, based on percentages of the U.S. population, whites are not more likely than other races to be serial killers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

That's not an assumption, that's a factual statistic. Also, I should point out that my statistic was about spree killers, and not serial killers.

Some more detail. link

That's why I used the label "spree killers" in the post you quoted.

You implied that being white meant someone was more likely to be a spree killer.



Why should anyone be "talking about his whiteness"?

Your article states: "According to Wikipedia, 75% of the rampage killings on US record were perpetrated by white males, as were 71% of massacres in schools, and 60% of workplace rampages"

However, one would expect most spree killers in the USA to be white people, because the population of the USA in 2010 was 72.4% white. (The wikipedia reference was presumably citing data from around that time).

Sad news. I just hope that the last impulse to act didn?t come from the previously discussed article. I?ve heard that once news of some type of criminal activity is launched, it temporarily raises the amount of those crimes, for some do get the idea and confirmation to act in such way from it.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-v ... nt-n113996