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17 Oct 2015, 9:51 am

I stopped reading at "there are benefits for peers, staff and parents".

Two words: low standards.



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17 Oct 2015, 10:34 am

I wonder if anyone has contacted the author about the uproar her article caused so she can set things straight like tell us what her intentions were and apologize for the misunderstanding and perhaps update her article or re write it. I know she has a Facebook page so perhaps we can tell her there to let her know the uproar she has caused. I still think this is all a big misunderstanding and her article is being hugely misinterpreted.


EDIT: I just sent her a message about this and she looked different in her Facebook photo than on her article and I don't know if she will see the post because it went to other peoples folder because I am not on her friends. But if she isn't that same person who wrote it, I told her to ignore my message then if she isn't her. I am still giving her the benefit of the doubt.


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17 Oct 2015, 10:52 am

lol what :jester:


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17 Oct 2015, 11:02 am

League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if anyone has contacted the author about the uproar her article caused so she can set things straight like tell us what her intentions were and apologize for the misunderstanding and perhaps update her article or re write it. I know she has a Facebook page so perhaps we can tell her there to let her know the uproar she has caused. I still think this is all a big misunderstanding and her article is being hugely misinterpreted.


EDIT: I just sent her a message about this and she looked different in her Facebook photo than on her article and I don't know if she will see the post because it went to other peoples folder because I am not on her friends. But if she isn't that same person who wrote it, I told her to ignore my message then if she isn't her. I am still giving her the benefit of the doubt.


Well, her contact info was given several times on the comments thread for people to tell her directly that they're displeased, but I'm pretty sure it's impossible that she hasn't seen the comments. I'm sure she realizes how people are reacting to this. I would guess at least a few people used the links to contact her and also to contact the site. Meanwhile that NT guy with the last name D*ck who who keeps mocking everyone with "you're a bully, you're a bully" over and over again has stated that it's also bullying to contact the author. :roll:

But yeah, I doubt it got past the author that there is something of an uproar over this. Indeed, specific questions have been asked in the comments section which have been ignored by both the author and the site. I have a feeling (just a guess, I can't actually know this for certain, obviously) that the site is glad for the amount of clicks it's getting due to the scandalous nature of how this article is being received. So I doubt they'll be taking it down, or even asking the author to modify and/or clarify.



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17 Oct 2015, 11:05 am

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Meanwhile that NT guy with the last name D*ck who who keeps mocking everyone with "you're a bully, you're a bully" over and over again has stated that it's also bullying to contact the author.



Well I guess I am a bully then. :wink:


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17 Oct 2015, 11:06 am

haha another issue taken too seriously

bullying is bad

yes good can come from it, but ultimately it is bad, nothing else matters. Promote bullying, do you wish to? no


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17 Oct 2015, 11:13 am

League_Girl wrote:
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Meanwhile that NT guy with the last name D*ck who who keeps mocking everyone with "you're a bully, you're a bully" over and over again has stated that it's also bullying to contact the author.



Well I guess I am a bully then. :wink:


Well exactly, LOL...if you check out the comments, that one particular person really does NOT like being disagreed with and seems to have just randomly called everybody bullies. It's so odd...but whatever...anyway, the point being, I know at least one person said she had contacted the site directly anyway...I was really only skimming, but I also saw the site answer a question so the site is definitely keeping track of the comments and is aware, and I am sure the author is aware, of the sh*tstorm that's happening. If the author isn't answering, it's because she doesn't want to answer, and if she isn't changing anything about the article, it's because she doesn't want to change anything about it (or the site doesn't want her to).

Please note that I am NOT saying people shouldn't continue to contact the author, if you (the generic you) feel strongly about something, yes, you should feel comfortable doing so. I don't want to give the wrong impression, I'm just stating what I've observed. :)

BTW, someone posted a petition above...I clicked out of curiosity and keep getting an error.



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17 Oct 2015, 11:23 am

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There is one particular commenter over there who has replied SEVENTEEN TIMES to tell the autistic people who are replying that they, themselves, are the bullies for posting their disagreement of the article. Makes a person wonder why a supposed NT would be reading that anyhow, and particularly makes you wonder why he's so vocal about defending the article's stance, and likewise makes you ask yourself what kind of person would go over there and make it their job to passive-agressively defend bullying and make fun of people with ASD, singling them out personally to tell them how wrong they are. He even told someone that their ASD makes them different and so they're just reading the article's tone wrong. Like - HELLO - it's an article IN A PUBLICATION FOR AUTISTICS. If you know your tonw will be taken a certain way by us, how about writing it differently? Or changing it? Or removing it? The "policies" page clearly states they reserve the right to refuse to publish any submissions and/or advertising. But they keep choosing to just let this sit there.

And the thing is, that kind of response doesn't seem to be limited to that website. It's like people stake a claim and defend it with their life, except this argument isn't even applicable to them because they aren't autistic anyway. It's baffling.

Strange world we live in where some people get so much pleasure out of being contrary and offensive rather than admitting they hadn't realized how they were coming off and apologizing for hurting people. SMH.


Around 7-8 years ago certain segments of the population that are a bit weak in critical thought were fed the meme that stopping bullies "is itself bullying" and therefore the ethical equivalent to what they do. It's become like a signature for identifying them now.


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17 Oct 2015, 11:29 am

League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if anyone has contacted the author about the uproar her article caused so she can set things straight like tell us what her intentions were and apologize for the misunderstanding and perhaps update her article or re write it. I know she has a Facebook page so perhaps we can tell her there to let her know the uproar she has caused. I still think this is all a big misunderstanding and her article is being hugely misinterpreted.


EDIT: I just sent her a message about this and she looked different in her Facebook photo than on her article and I don't know if she will see the post because it went to other peoples folder because I am not on her friends. But if she isn't that same person who wrote it, I told her to ignore my message then if she isn't her. I am still giving her the benefit of the doubt.

She reacts here
https://storify.com/MAMelby/perks-from-bullying


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17 Oct 2015, 11:39 am

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League_Girl wrote:
I wonder if anyone has contacted the author about the uproar her article caused so she can set things straight like tell us what her intentions were and apologize for the misunderstanding and perhaps update her article or re write it. I know she has a Facebook page so perhaps we can tell her there to let her know the uproar she has caused. I still think this is all a big misunderstanding and her article is being hugely misinterpreted.


EDIT: I just sent her a message about this and she looked different in her Facebook photo than on her article and I don't know if she will see the post because it went to other peoples folder because I am not on her friends. But if she isn't that same person who wrote it, I told her to ignore my message then if she isn't her. I am still giving her the benefit of the doubt.

She reacts here
https://storify.com/MAMelby/perks-from-bullying


Wow, weird, for a communications expert she sure has trouble communicating. Those answers really don't address the actual questions being put to her.

Just...odd. I guess she's trying to stay neutral? Dunno.



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17 Oct 2015, 12:09 pm

Since I've read this article, I decided to write a comment:

"I feel as if this is a VERY misguided and uneducated attempt at giving advice on how to deal with bullying of people with ASDs. It seems as if this article fails to neglect that bullying can be a lot more severe that just picking on children. It can not only be emotionally abusive, but also physically and sexually abusive. If ANY child (not just autistic) was severely beaten or sexually abused by bullies, would you give the same advice? If you did, not only would the bullying not stop, but it could possibly make the bullies feel like they can get away with it and do worse.

As a person on the autism spectrum and a victim of bullying, I see these ideas as not very helpful. If I informed my peers about having Asperger’s Syndrome, I would have been bullied a lot worse than I was. It would give bullies more reasons to treat children like dirt.

You also have to put into account that not all autistic people know they’re being bullied. Since they may not understand the difference between being a good friend or a bully, they may mistake being mistreated as friendship. Would these suggestions even work if that was the case?

You also have to stop bullying too, not just let it happen. If you stopped bullying, then you wouldn’t even need extra programs for this reason. There’s also the issue of what kind of program should be used and how the staff at a school apply it. If it isn’t properly applied, then children will only vaguely know about autism and go back to their lives.

I don’t understand what the intention was of this author, but it seems like she doesn’t understand what it’s like to be a bullied child on the autism spectrum. Even though there was a lot of talk in elementary school about being kind, respectful of others, and not bullying other children, I still was being bullied. Just because an adult tells a child not to do something doesn’t mean they’ll obey."



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17 Oct 2015, 12:14 pm

Bullying is good for the bully and bad for the victim. Just because it has benefic effects on the perpetrator's health doesn't mean it's acceptable, because it impacts the victim negatively. If you're starving and steal someone else's food, you're doing something that benefits you and harms the other person. It's unacceptable.

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17 Oct 2015, 12:22 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
Bullying is good for the bully and bad for the victim. Just because it has benefic effects on the perpetrator's health doesn't mean it's acceptable, because it impacts the victim negatively. If you're starving and steal someone else's food, you're doing something that benefits you and harms the other person. It's unacceptable.


Well, I think the author is claiming it's ALSO good for the victim (learning how to make friends - I found that one weird?) and even for parents and teachers as it makes them "work together as a team." And also that the ends justify the means, for example that bullying teaches people about bullying (???) and that bullying makes students aware of autism (double ???????????). What the author fails to note is that learning to make friends and learning to work together as a team can happen in dozens of ways other than bullying.



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17 Oct 2015, 12:24 pm

Indeed, her logic and common sense leave much to be desired.


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17 Oct 2015, 12:55 pm

'10 ways women benefit from being raped'

Imagine!!



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17 Oct 2015, 12:58 pm

I could probably make a list. And I'm not even a woman rape expert.