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03 Aug 2008, 7:59 pm

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But maybe the question is too broad. Isn't it obvious from all the discussion that NTs excell at certain things and autistics excell at other things? We need to look at specific skills....[and we need to be asking another very important question].

There's little dispute that NTs are better at social skills. on the social skills yardstick, NTs are superior.

Aspies in general have more time for invention due to the fact that they spend less time socially. Thinking about doing things in new and more efficient ways is probably more interesting to Aspies than to NTs. On the invention yardstick, Aspies are probably superior. But can we also conclde that Aspies are more creative [a larger category] than NTs? This requires further and more specific discussion.

NTs and Aspies can learn to respect each others' strengths. And that is a huge step forward from seeing the autism spectrum as only a hindrance to 'proper functioning'. The reality is that everyone who is making their best contribution is valuable and needed. Every one of us is remarkable in our own way.

How then can we help everyone to make their best contribution? This is the question that needs to be asked. And answered.


Well said! I as still teaching my husband social skills. Now we are working on nodding when someone is talking about something he feels is stupid and thinking of something to say like a question related to the topic. His eye contact has really improved.
Husband helps me with grammar, vocab and putting things together. I must say my 5 year old helps me more with fixing things and there is no doubt he is gifted and on the spectrum. We find out in two weeks if he is AS or HFA. My son has already invented little things. If I can't figure something out, I can go to him and he has at least two ideas. I also help him with social skills.


I was going to also say alba was dead on. Not insulting either way. :D

Natesmom,

It sounds like you, your husband, and son have a great relationship. :lol:

Sora,

he doesn't care, but isn't worth the time. :cry:

FreedomG,

You spoke of using an 80s movie, so I guess you meant ME. HEY, it was a big movie! JC Penny copied it in their LATEST commercials! Jesse Ventura is starting a new project, and compared it to TBC a few days ago. Granted, there IS a trend to use 20-30 year old material because it is forgotten, but they used the SAME concept. The movie was relevant here and, outside of the FAST acceptance, which IS possible because of the marijuana(or was it), and other fast pace was pretty true to life.

You know... I didn't think long enough about it! You ARE represented there! "Richard Vernon"! He thought HE was fantastic also, took joy in others failings, or perceived failings, and he wasn't all that great anyway.

As to the statement "I think I know who you are, the loser who got pushed around by his mother and his bratty sister. And it haunts him how he couldn't stand up for himself. "????? What mother and bratty sister? And nothing has haunted me regarding any forum exchange! As to the "bratty sister" reference, that WAS a quote!

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03 Aug 2008, 9:58 pm

Hodor wrote:
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As for being religious... just exactly who isn't? Aside from the maybe 1% of the world population that's athiest?


Source?


Definitely higher than that.

Wikipedia says "A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica finds that the non-religious make up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%. This figure does not include those who follow atheistic religions, such as some Buddhists."

And it cites this page:

http://search.eb.com/failedlogin?target ... le-9432620

Which requires a subscription, so I can't verify it directly. The footnote reads:

Worldwide Adherents of All Religions by Six Continental Areas, Mid-2005". Encyclopædia Britannica (2005). Retrieved on 2007-04-15.

* 2.3% Atheists: Persons professing atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious (opposed to all religion).
* 11.9% Nonreligious: Persons professing no religion, nonbelievers, agnostics, freethinkers, uninterested, or dereligionized secularists indifferent to all religion but not militantly so.


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08 Jul 2012, 4:06 am

I don't feel superhuman. And I don't think Aspies are special. The reason why we are the way we are is because we have to be in order to survive. If we were not logical we would end up dead or something because we are incapable, to some extinct, of acting on instinct. We are not superhuman, we possess a neurological disorder. Right now I'm studying Calculus...for fun! Most people would not spend their time doing this because they would rather be f***ing their gf or going out to the movies or whatever. I love my autism, but I hate it when people say Aspies are somehow superior. By what measure? I feel like we all have a place in this world, and our place seems to be in a lab, in a book, or in a game or something idk. People should be valued for who they are and not who you want them to be. It's been hard for me to accept this view of the world because in many ways I wanted to pay back all those bastards in high school that made me feel like sh**, but then I realized that A) that's childish B) they were dumb kids and C) that doing that to someone else will only cause more misery and pain. Stop trying to put yourself above people and just learn to accept people and their "flaws".



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08 Jul 2012, 4:17 am

In some ways yes like our obsessions and talents in certain areas but in other ways no we might not be good at otherstuff like most NT^s are like for me math but I am awsome in science. Also NTs are better at socializing than we are generally and have more confidence.


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08 Jul 2012, 8:55 am

Mxzysptlik wrote:
I don't feel superhuman. And I don't think Aspies are special. The reason why we are the way we are is because we have to be in order to survive. If we were not logical we would end up dead or something because we are incapable, to some extinct, of acting on instinct. We are not superhuman, we possess a neurological disorder. Right now I'm studying Calculus...for fun! Most people would not spend their time doing this because they would rather be f***ing their gf or going out to the movies or whatever. I love my autism, but I hate it when people say Aspies are somehow superior. By what measure? I feel like we all have a place in this world, and our place seems to be in a lab, in a book, or in a game or something idk. People should be valued for who they are and not who you want them to be. It's been hard for me to accept this view of the world because in many ways I wanted to pay back all those bastards in high school that made me feel like sh**, but then I realized that A) that's childish B) they were dumb kids and C) that doing that to someone else will only cause more misery and pain. Stop trying to put yourself above people and just learn to accept people and their "flaws".


I totally agree and can relate.

WrongPlanet really needs an upvote system...



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08 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

I do not believe in the idea of superiority no mattwhat the premise is. To think we are superior is no different than certain religious or racial groups thinking they are superior. Equality would be nice, but that cannot exist when someone feels they occupy a higher social status than others.