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03 Oct 2008, 5:37 pm

On the notion of going around trying to be a spokesperson for Asperger's, having it, and having a diagnosis, doesn't mean one knows enough to go saying what it is. Learning about oneself from the perspective of the idea of Asperger's is a completely different thing from learning about Asperger's in general. Understanding oneself as a person with Asperger's is different than understanding Asperger's with all it's ranger and variation.

And anyone, no matter how validly labeled, who goes making themself an example of Asperger's runs the risk of others not seeing the full picture and getting the wrong idea.



03 Oct 2008, 7:03 pm

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Someone who has Asperger's and is not officially dx'ed can easily find out what a therapist would do to dx them and can often do it better than a therapist. This is not science. There are no blood tests. There are behaviors that are self reported to a therapist.

If someone knows they have it and do not want to be dxed because :
1. Could prevent them from joining the military
2. Could prevent them from being able to immigrate
3. Could cause them distress in other ways
4. They cannot afford a therapist-

There are many reasons why someone may not want an official dx.

Anyone who really has ASP is smart enough to find out how therapists do it. There are many books and forms that they give you when you are dxed that you can find.

If someone wants to be ASP, let them. If it helps them figure out why they are the way they are, that's their business.



So that means I can't move to England?


I don't understand how a AS diagnoses can keep us from immigrating.



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03 Oct 2008, 7:13 pm

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So that means I can't move to England?


I don't understand how a AS diagnoses can keep us from immigrating.


Many countries have immigration laws that discriminate heavily on the basis of disability, particularly but not limited to countries with nationalized healthcare systems. So if they see someone as a "potential burden" on their healthcare or welfare systems, they will often not let them in (even if there's no evidence that what they say is actually true).


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03 Oct 2008, 8:15 pm

You can always visit:)



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03 Oct 2008, 8:28 pm

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Spokane_Girl wrote:
So that means I can't move to England?


I don't understand how a AS diagnoses can keep us from immigrating.


Many countries have immigration laws that discriminate heavily on the basis of disability, particularly but not limited to countries with nationalized healthcare systems. So if they see someone as a "potential burden" on their healthcare or welfare systems, they will often not let them in (even if there's no evidence that what they say is actually true).

think australia is one that bans people based on disability,am remember the story of the girl who had... [cant remember what disabilities it was,possibly CP amongst others-it was a big thing on the ouch forum] her family wanted to move there but were going to be working,the family were allowed in,the child wasnt because they said she would cost too much in her life.

as far as am know,england does not stop people coming here based on disability,theres not much restriction here.


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03 Oct 2008, 9:30 pm

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I think that a diagnosis is neither necessary nor sufficient to have AS. However I think that people that are self diagnosis should just keep this suspicion to themselves or perhaps online forums, and do not go on making videos, or claiming to people that they got AS, simple reason, it will aid those b*st*r* out there justify their belief AS is an invented condition that came from geeks trying to make up excuses for their bad social skills.


Yes, agreed.



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03 Oct 2008, 9:52 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
anbuend wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
So that means I can't move to England?


I don't understand how a AS diagnoses can keep us from immigrating.


Many countries have immigration laws that discriminate heavily on the basis of disability, particularly but not limited to countries with nationalized healthcare systems. So if they see someone as a "potential burden" on their healthcare or welfare systems, they will often not let them in (even if there's no evidence that what they say is actually true).

think australia is one that bans people based on disability,am remember the story of the girl who had... [cant remember what disabilities it was,possibly CP amongst others-it was a big thing on the ouch forum] her family wanted to move there but were going to be working,the family were allowed in,the child wasnt because they said she would cost too much in her life.

as far as am know,england does not stop people coming here based on disability,theres not much restriction here.


In New Zealand there was a deaf girl the same thing happened to. And while Ellis Island in the USA was a long time ago, it screened out disabled people and ill people. Most countries have at least some laws that can be used to do so even now. I remember checking Canada's rules and learning I would not be able to move there (I had a friend who needed a roommate and was willing to relocate that far if need be, but I'm definitely not allowed to do more than visit).


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03 Oct 2008, 9:53 pm

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On the notion of going around trying to be a spokesperson for Asperger's, having it, and having a diagnosis, doesn't mean one knows enough to go saying what it is. Learning about oneself from the perspective of the idea of Asperger's is a completely different thing from learning about Asperger's in general. Understanding oneself as a person with Asperger's is different than understanding Asperger's with all it's ranger and variation.

And anyone, no matter how validly labeled, who goes making themself an example of Asperger's runs the risk of others not seeing the full picture and getting the wrong idea.


Absolutely, IMHO I think this is the most succinct and pertinent post on this thread


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03 Oct 2008, 9:55 pm

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Heck we can all fake it, at least for a while, right?


I can't anymore. Any passing I did in the past relied too much on being a child or at least being routinely mistaken for one (and even then I made a weird child). And I'm not as often mistaken for one anymore, although it happens from time to time. The most I can do is pass as someone with some other condition (i.e. since I use a wheelchair to get most places, some people decide I'm purely physically disabled; without one it's most often MR, sometimes people think I'm deaf or blind or both instead), and if it's generalized disability discrimination that doesn't help.


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03 Oct 2008, 10:42 pm

Wow interesting topic. After my older sister thought I had Asperger's I researched the topic and the more I find out the more I am pretty sure I have it. I agree the only person that knows who you truly are is you. My behaviors are interesting I question an action and I've had a fellow Aspie say yep that's this trait of Apersger's or this trait. So I'm learning more and more what traits I have everyday. IMO it's a really tricky thing to get diagnosed since the traits can very to haveing not many to alot of them etc. Also it depends on WHO you deal with if you are aiming for an official diagnosis (when I mention the disorder to my Psychiatrist he said no that's something diagnosed in childhood and there aren't pills for it anyway) So it falls onto that issue aswell. I also agree everyone is entitled to there own opinion and the people who talk about getting something official you have to look at the costs and such. :-) Very neat topic though. :-)



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03 Oct 2008, 10:43 pm

MR wrote:
On the notion of going around trying to be a spokesperson for Asperger's, having it, and having a diagnosis, doesn't mean one knows enough to go saying what it is. Learning about oneself from the perspective of the idea of Asperger's is a completely different thing from learning about Asperger's in general. Understanding oneself as a person with Asperger's is different than understanding Asperger's with all it's ranger and variation.

And anyone, no matter how validly labeled, who goes making themself an example of Asperger's runs the risk of others not seeing the full picture and getting the wrong idea.


I've never seen anyone like that. The aspies that I see online are prone to pointing out how they differ from typical AS.


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03 Oct 2008, 11:34 pm

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Wow interesting topic. After my older sister thought I had Asperger's I researched the topic and the more I find out the more I am pretty sure I have it. I agree the only person that knows who you truly are is you. My behaviors are interesting I question an action and I've had a fellow Aspie say yep that's this trait of Apersger's or this trait. So I'm learning more and more what traits I have everyday. IMO it's a really tricky thing to get diagnosed since the traits can very to haveing not many to alot of them etc. Also it depends on WHO you deal with if you are aiming for an official diagnosis (when I mention the disorder to my Psychiatrist he said no that's something diagnosed in childhood and there aren't pills for it anyway) So it falls onto that issue aswell. I also agree everyone is entitled to there own opinion and the people who talk about getting something official you have to look at the costs and such. Very neat topic though.


You have bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, not Asperger Syndrome.



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04 Oct 2008, 1:47 am

The term "fake it" is erroneous, as it's not "faking" anything. How someone behaves is how they actually are; if one is embarrassed of the things they do, and they then suppress them, this is who they are. But this is beside the point. Not to mention that if your level of impairment allows you to hide certain things, it just means you aren't as impaired as those who can't, and this is my point.

I like how the member anbuend said that she behaved like a child, and that's a common thing to have happen; replacing one type of "odd" behaviour with another when compared to one's chronological age and peers. (It's "odd" because it's "different" in appearance than everyone else.) I remember in high school, I'd constantly curse as I spoke about the things that I could, and I cursed for that's what everyone else did around me; I did it to try to fit in. I just added more odd behaviour as I cursed far more than everyone else, and I didn't realize this at the time; I'd curse in front of teachers, adults, and everyone, and I didn't know that this made people uncomfortable many times. In my desire to fit in, I just made myself stand out in a different way, and this is the common thing for those with ASDs who try to fit in.

I've yet to see someone with an ASD look like a "normal" person (rather, they all appear on the "fringes").



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04 Oct 2008, 2:06 am

I behave like a child. When I heard "ye must be as a little child to enter the kingdom of heaven" I knew I had it made! I am far too youthful and as I age, it shows more and more until I can't hide my 'off ness'. Some folks get it that I am autistic right away, Asian women, especially, and some older women. Men used to use it to their advantage, but now I am not of breeding age, rare is the man that cares about all of that, now.
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04 Oct 2008, 2:16 am

Thinking about this thread, the main contention with people who self DX is that they may be misrepresenting AS and giving us a bad name. I'll tell you what gives us a bad name

Pretending that we are some sort of more evolved super human, that we cannot lie, that we have symetrical faces and are therefore better looking etc that if you are Neurotypical you are boring, not artistic, mundane etc

Paranoia that the evil NT's are out to destroy our 'race' does not help much either.

Claiming all the greatest minds throughout history as being on the spectrum is also f*****g ridiculous, in fact it is the worst form of 'self diagnosis'

So if you are really concerned about public perception stop behaving like elitist twats, recognise that you have a mental disorder, and start respecting the many 'NT's' who work tirelessly to try and help us.


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04 Oct 2008, 2:16 am

It's also common for people with an ASD to always behave like children/younger than their age. They say this is because parts of the brain stop developing, whilst others (like one's ability to rationalize), develop at a normal or advanced rate. People with ASDs aren't the age of when they were born (their body may look older, but parts of their brain are still at the age of a child, whereas their normal peers are old overall).

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