Are all aspies atheists -- or is it just me?

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I hardly ever concerned myself with religion or the necessity to associate myself with one.

However I believe in the possibility of both God and science coexisting. I say I believe in God cause I'm basically obsessed with how miserable he has made my life. I dont respect or honor a whole lot of what God does as a result but it kinda weirds me out how the fact that I am bitter towards God still makes me a bit of a Christian because I am still acknowledging that he exists.

I dont go to church anymore unless I willingly do so as an act of courtesy towards tolerating a friend or family member's religious beliefs. I've experience plenty of negative stuff with various religions (mostly Christianity) but I'm wise enough to know you cant define a religion by its hypocrisy or the crimes they have committed. I believe in keeping the thought process of religion simple becuase I believe most religions are making themselves more complex than it oughta be (ex which stuff to follow in the Bible and how specific are the verses).

As for the science stuff...well whatever they taught me in school is gonna stay incorporated in my brain so if I wanna believe that God made the dinosaurs and got rid of them at some point then I will.

I'm a "no rules" type when it comes to what believe system I should be associated with.

I have a strong spiritual dimension to my life and I have a sense of a God as a force of great peace and joy and love.
I cannot imagine life without this, and I do not really care if it is "a ruse" or not. All i know is my relationship with a deeper spiritual/religious dimension of a personal kind, gives my life great meaning and sustenance.
My life is more tenable and purposive as a result. it has more depth and meaning for me, than the life I led when I turned my back on a spiritual approach to things.

If I am kidding myself...I could not give a stuff.I'm living in comparatively blissful illusion!
I am the one living in my own life and I've found benefit from this approach.
Each to their own.

I considered myself agnostic until I was in my late 20's....but my mind fell off that fence quite some time ago.

IOW....I now consider myself an atheist since few things seem more unlikely to me then the existence of a personal god who omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent.


Many things have contributed to my worldview in this regard.


At least in my case.....the quanity and quality of suffering we see in existence has made a major contribution.


The way I see it, if god is omnipotent and omniscient, then "he" is also a sadist who makes Lawrence Bittaker and Ted Bundy look like Mary Poppins in comparison.

Guess that would rule out his much-trumpted omnibenevolence eh?


I certainly don't want to offend any religious people here, but it's truly impossible for me view this whole god (so long we're talking about a god with the aforementioned characteristics at least) concept any other way.


The existence of SOME form of consciousness which doesn't depend on material/neurobiological constructs (i.e......part of my clunky defintion of "spirit". Add "will" to this and my definition is complete) for it's origins and existence is quite possible IMO.

I just don't think it takes the form of a being with all these human and "omni" qualities.


Western esoteric and eastern spiritualities have always been comparatively more believable to me, but that doesn't mean I don't take those ideas without a major grain of salt as well.

There is a nice article that speaks about the suffering of humanity as many Christians like myself have also wondered this.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -suffering

I'm agnostic. Not enough evidence either way, IMO.

~Kate

If you define atheist in that sense, I guess I am. The problem of evil pretty much shows the "omni" god to be a logical contradiction. But, the existence of a god (or more than one) that isn't a contradiction is not out of the realm of possibility, which is why I consider myself agnostic.

~Kate

No, in the sense of Christianity and the Bible, it does make sense. You have to be open-minded on this and read about it. Here again is the link to an article that deals with this very thing.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -suffering

That doesn't really answer the question of why suffering and death still exist, it only answers how they came to be. If it was sin that caused this, and Jesus' death "made us even" why do death and suffering still exist?
The article claims that accepting Christ provides access to Heaven, which takes up the role of paradise in place of the Garden of Eden, yet it gives no reason for why God didn't simply recreate the Garden of Eden on Earth.
It makes a passing refference that Adam represents each of us, as he represents our "sinfull nature" (given to us by God for some reason, which is bad eventhough it's "very good") but doesn't provide any explenation as to why horrible things continue to happen.

Basically it seems to me that it boils down to this:

God created everything, it was "very good".
There was no death and no suffering.
God planted a tree and slapped a "Do Not Eat" sign on it.
Lucifer donned a snake outfit and took the sign down.
Adam and Eve ate some of the tree's fruit.
God created death and suffering as punishment.
We were all screwed for a few thousand years.
God sends down an angel to knock up a virgin *compulsitory high five*.
Jesus, who is actually God in a clever disguise, dies on the cross to atone for mankind's sin.
But not really, he came back to life ~some time later~ and flew up to Heaven.
Death and suffering still exist for some unexplained reason, but it's all good because after plenty of suffering and death finally takes you (and you accept Jesus) you can go to Heaven to live as God originally intended.

Let me know if I missed anything.

Edit: It occurred to me that some of my statements may seem derogatory, I assure you this is not intended.

Last edited by Lecks on 20 Feb 2010, 10:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

What you need to do is contact the website of that article. They should be more than happy to explain it to you. They would be better qualified to explain it since they are responsible for it. It does make sense to me. Hard to accept? Yes. But it does make sense to me.

Are all Aspies Aithiests, or is it just me

Oh yeah, it's definatly just you.

But the article didn't anwer the question. How can it make sense?

I believe that a lot of you that are questioning the existence of God (you must be wanting answers about religion) are over thinking it. This is so much the AS way of thinking---as an Aspie, I too tend to analyze stuff too much. After being diagnosed with autism, it's then off to analyze analyze analyze to see if it could be something else like academic giftedness, narcissism, schizophrenia, etc. I went through all of this, and ruled out everything except Asperger's. I finally felt comfortable that yes, the clinic was correct in diagnosing me with AS. But this pattern of analysis can cause over thinking. You can take most logical things and over think it until it no longer makes sense. I believe that is what some of you that seem to want to understand the Bible are doing with religion. Relax a bit with it.

Lecks---it did answer the question. You just can't seem to accept it. Contact the authors of the website, or talk to a pastor.

I've seen these arguments before. The issue I have with them is that I have to question how "good" a being/entity can be if he/she/it is so invested in absolute obedience that he/she/it will subject its creation (which, if omniscient, he knows WILL screw up) to eternal misery forever, for such "slights" as lack of faith and failure to comply with a (in my opinion arbitrary) set of gender, sexual, and other mandates. I mean, if there is a god and he created me and he's omniscient, then he KNOWS exactly what I'm capable of believing and what I'm not....KWIM?

~Kate

Heh, it occurred to me that I might've been overthinking things moments before I read your post.

You may be right, but when it comes to something as important as understanding the world, the universe and it's possible creator then underthinking things would be far, far worse.

For all of you that say you have trouble accepting the word of God, you sure seem to want something out of this by continuing to post on it. Well...I can talk about my experiences, but it isn't the same as church. What I recommend is that you try going to church. And most of you probably have gone to church. But go again. Go tomorrow. Be open-minded and see if anything happens.