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17 Jan 2009, 12:18 am

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I don't think it's so simple. NTs do THINGS with clothes, same as they do things with conversation. Wearing a fashionable item is making a very precise statement about oneself, whether the item is pretty or ugly. While wearing the same item without the fashion and the statement, leaves the item to be what it is: funny/ridiculous/ pretty/ whatever.


So, this is why NTs love to match clothes. Hmmm this might be a good explanation because I've never understood the logic of this. I mainly buy clothes either because I like the way they look and feel to me and I mainly use clothes to keep me legal. In addition if it's cold I use clothes to keep me warm. For me, substance rules more than style. Clothes and anything else should mainly serve a function and that is to protect me from the elements and keep me comfortable.

I never understood there was any other purpose and to this day I find the way NTs choose their clothes logically hard to follow.



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17 Jan 2009, 12:22 am

My main goal when dealing with folks even as a child was to share, pass, and obtain ideas and to talk about ideas and opinons with people and even to create different things.

Greentea, I love bouncing ideas and coming up with ideas. To me, that is fun and here I get to do that and be myself. This is the first time I can be myself, not be a fake, and have fun. I have been enjoying wrongplanet alot. I have obtained alot of information from you and others here and at other places.



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17 Jan 2009, 7:01 am

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That's the way YOU are, but can't you see the logic in the way that others are? Can't you see why an object can suddenly become desirable to someone for what it represents at a certain point in time?


As I say, I can understand something suddenly grabbing your attention that you just never really noticed before. That happens to me. But deciding that you now love something that you did notice and used to actively hate/laugh at before, just because it's now come into 'fashion'? Not really, no. I find that puzzling. Maybe it's an Aspie thing; maybe it's just me.



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17 Jan 2009, 9:27 am

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Greentea wrote:
I don't think it's so simple. NTs do THINGS with clothes, same as they do things with conversation. Wearing a fashionable item is making a very precise statement about oneself, whether the item is pretty or ugly. While wearing the same item without the fashion and the statement, leaves the item to be what it is: funny/ridiculous/ pretty/ whatever.


So, this is why NTs love to match clothes. Hmmm this might be a good explanation because I've never understood the logic of this. I mainly buy clothes either because I like the way they look and feel to me and I mainly use clothes to keep me legal. In addition if it's cold I use clothes to keep me warm. For me, substance rules more than style. Clothes and anything else should mainly serve a function and that is to protect me from the elements and keep me comfortable.

I never understood there was any other purpose and to this day I find the way NTs choose their clothes logically hard to follow.


Actually, I think most NTs wear clothes that match because they like how it looks, even if not considering the statement it makes.



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17 Jan 2009, 10:11 am

Hovis, it's not about loving the specific clothes item which is suddenly in fashion. It's about wanting to look fashionable, whether they like the item or not.

In addition, fashionable clothes are presented in the media in association with attractive things, so they suddenly become very attractive to the mind and eye. Beautiful models wear them in beautiful settings, etc.


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18 Jan 2009, 3:28 am

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Hovis, it's not about loving the specific clothes item which is suddenly in fashion. It's about wanting to look fashionable, whether they like the item or not.


That's even stranger, really! Willingly and enthusiastically wearing something you don't like (and, presumably, a lot of other people who also laughed when it was 'out of fashion' don't like, either) because a handful of designers/media outlets tell you it's the thing to wear?



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18 Jan 2009, 4:52 am

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Greentea wrote:
Hovis, it's not about loving the specific clothes item which is suddenly in fashion. It's about wanting to look fashionable, whether they like the item or not.


That's even stranger, really! Willingly and enthusiastically wearing something you don't like (and, presumably, a lot of other people who also laughed when it was 'out of fashion' don't like, either) because a handful of designers/media outlets tell you it's the thing to wear?


Yeah. It's not the thing in itself that is important, it's what the thing represents (social acceptance).


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26 Jan 2009, 1:25 pm

Wearing what's in fashion and conversely NOT wearing (and putting down) what is not in fashion is a statement of belonging to the middle class. I read this somewhere, that only the middle class follow fashion. The poor can't afford to follow the strict whims of fashion perfectly, and the rich don't need to follow fashion to show that they have money. It's often enough for them to flaunt their last name, their antique watch worth a million, etc. You can decide not to follow fashion, but you can't close your eyes to the social phenomenon it is.


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26 Jan 2009, 4:25 pm

I couldn't resist from throwing out my own example of a miscommunication with an NT that I had.


I used to work at a small cafe' and one day I was working with a female coworker with whom I was friends with. All day was very slow, hardly any customers or anything to occupy our time. Every now and then I would comment on just how boring the day was. After a few of these comments my coworker turns to me and says, "Look, I'm not going to have sex with you." Seeing the shock on my face that this comment caused, she became very embarrassed and then proceeded to tell me that one of the ways her husband lets her know that he is in the mood was by talking about how bored he was.



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26 Jan 2009, 11:43 pm

:lmao:


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27 Jan 2009, 2:32 am

This thread is enlightening and thought-provoking. Probably not the best thing to read right before bed especially with my already overactive mind, but I'm glad I found it anyway.

I'm aware I'm not adding anything of substance here, I just wanted to thank everyone for unknowingly expanding my mind. :)



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29 Jan 2009, 12:36 pm

There's a PhD to be had in all of this somewhere....



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29 Jan 2009, 1:55 pm

Welcome to WP!


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21 Nov 2012, 9:18 pm

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My therapist told me years ago (and I didn't get it back then ) that when you rant to someone, you're actually attacking that person, even if you're ranting about something not related to that person. Because what you're DOING when ranting is expressing anger, then it's taken as being angry at the listener.

Also, when you dismiss something a person says as unimportant, such as a movie they've seen, what you're actually DOING is dismissing the person, telling them you're not interested in more closeness with them. When you're interested in getting closer, you say things like öh yeah, wonderful movie!". You show more enthusiasm for their ideas the more closeness you want. The intention is not to exchange opinions about the movie, but to establish the quantity and quality of the relationship between the 2 people.

All the above is nauseatingly obvious to any NT and astoundingly new to me.


some of that is frankly so NT it's not 'normal' the ranting thing... so when people watch a video of someone ranting is that like. i had the lukewarm sickly thought when nicki minaj's 'stupid hoe' song came out that all the people who disliked it and complained a female flatmate 'nicki minaj.. callling me a stupid hoe...' that they actually feel like THEY'RE being a called a stupid hoe. me i just thought she was referring to stupid people and calling them in it and because i don't think i'm stupid and often get angry when i think other people are being stupid i didn't react that way.

i guess if the rant is really severe and angry and theirs like a few people in teh room and the person is just speaking to you or directing themselves at you then they're being a really f*****g subtel animal douche and expressing anger at you and may reveal what they're really angry about shortly if they have the human quality to do so.

i also don't agree with your last paragraph because if you're not interested in what they're interested in as a person then why would you be interested in them anyway. the answer is you simply want their company a love hate relationship type thing. when you're closer you can just be like that films pretty s**t why do you like it idk.

a lot of this normal stuff to me is disgusting and i wonder how much of the normla population actually is like that. it's so unfair how hyper sensitive they are to emotions with others. they're like animals.



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21 Nov 2012, 9:19 pm

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My therapist told me years ago (and I didn't get it back then ) that when you rant to someone, you're actually attacking that person, even if you're ranting about something not related to that person. Because what you're DOING when ranting is expressing anger, then it's taken as being angry at the listener.

Also, when you dismiss something a person says as unimportant, such as a movie they've seen, what you're actually DOING is dismissing the person, telling them you're not interested in more closeness with them. When you're interested in getting closer, you say things like öh yeah, wonderful movie!". You show more enthusiasm for their ideas the more closeness you want. The intention is not to exchange opinions about the movie, but to establish the quantity and quality of the relationship between the 2 people.

All the above is nauseatingly obvious to any NT and astoundingly new to me.


some of that is frankly so NT it's not 'normal' the ranting thing... so when people watch a video of someone ranting is that like. i had the lukewarm sickly thought when nicki minaj's 'stupid hoe' song came out that all the people who disliked it and complained a female flatmate 'nicki minaj.. callling me a stupid hoe...' that they actually feel like THEY'RE being a called a stupid hoe. me i just thought she was referring to stupid people and calling them in it and because i don't think i'm stupid and often get angry when i think other people are being stupid i didn't react that way.

i guess if the rant is really severe and angry and theirs like a few people in teh room and the person is just speaking to you or directing themselves at you then they're being a really f*****g subtel animal douche and expressing anger at you and may reveal what they're really angry about shortly if they have the human quality to do so.

i also don't agree with your last paragraph because if you're not interested in what they're interested in as a person then why would you be interested in them anyway. the answer is you simply want their company a love hate relationship type thing. when you're closer you can just be like that films pretty s**t why do you like it idk.

a lot of this normal stuff to me is disgusting and i wonder how much of the normla population actually is like that. it's so unfair how hyper sensitive they are to emotions with others. they're like animals. i say that because they've got this super sense yet they're also the ones who are then going to attack you and should sense that you don't have the same senses as them. or maybe a take a minute out of their dramatic goings on of their tribe and learn something that exists in the world such as neurodiversity.



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My therapist told me years ago (and I didn't get it back then ) that when you rant to someone, you're actually attacking that person, even if you're ranting about something not related to that person. Because what you're DOING when ranting is expressing anger, then it's taken as being angry at the listener.

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wait hold on by ranting to someone does that mean ranting about they did or you're just ranting to them in general about thing or what someone else did yet because you're still expressing an anger it's like you're ranting at them. if it's the former then i got to say that was nauseatingly obvious to me hehe (though i'm probably at some fault in logic which i've just thought and that is if you're angry at what they've done or whatever the situation was around their happenings you're technically angry not at them but at the situation/whatever it is so if you really think about it's not an attack on them but then again i find one only gets angry by the actions of others being wrong so i'd have to conclude it is nauseatingly obvious on that one'. if it is the latter then that's like so subtle it's psychopathic.