Europe meet-up. Would you be interested?

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Would you come to a meet-up in Europe?
Yes! 39%  39%  [ 22 ]
Probably 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
Maybe 25%  25%  [ 14 ]
Nope 12%  12%  [ 7 ]
Yes, but only if --------------------------------------- 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 57

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07 Feb 2009, 7:38 pm

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How much would the train cost from Holland to Austria, oblio?


As I recall, trains are pretty cheap! I went from aarhus denmark to basil switzerland to copenhagen denmark and back. I DID actually buy some tickets because of some deficiency in my eurail pass for that, and I don't remember it being an issue.

That required the ferrys AND like 3 countrys train systems.



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07 Feb 2009, 7:53 pm

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That'd be US$70 for room and breakfast. It's quite a lot. I hope you can get something cheaper and a bulk discount.

What do the others think of such a venue?


I'm of the opinion that $70/night is probably about as good as you'll get. I looked at some hostles recently, and it seemed like the cheaper ones had some REAL problems. I would LOVE to come, but I think I would currently be risking too much for too little of a potential benefit. I just never seem to have any luck at such things. It is unfortunate too, especially as I know some spanish, danish, german, and french, and would like to get better at it.



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07 Feb 2009, 7:53 pm

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I was in July too! I got through 2 bottles of Gordons Gin coping with it all!

When I got home I had a nightmare that I was still there and the tutor told me that I had to stay for a year!


The group I was with was, er . . . , rather culturally elite, from around the world. Heard lots of complaints in several languages. My room was so HOT (I mean sweltering) that I couldn't stay there for the first few hours until it cooled down.

We kept going to that convenience store just off campus for batteries for the cameras and vodka for the nerves. If you saw a tall fellow with dark curly hair and a pleasant but slightly dazed expression, or running in the morning wearing dark blue duds - it was I.

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07 Feb 2009, 10:32 pm

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It has just occurred to me that Autscape may be meant for people who are soooooo terribly "low functioning" that they can't manage to organise their own ( big ) gatherings. :roll: :wink: That is to say a lot of us on WP, including me.

It was on pages 4-5 that I said that we needed to know not only how many people would travel to which countries for a gathering, but also how much money they would be prepared to pay and for how many nights, and what sort of venue, before we could really organise/confirm anything anywhere.

And at that moment I remembered Autscape. I think it was because I suddenly realised all the things that I/we would have to know and do and be in order to organise a gathering.

Not only need to collect a lot of information from people, but also start negotiating with hotel owners/university administrators, etc, etc, and also be confident enough to put down big deposits on properties/bookings, etc, despite not knowing if enough, or any, people would turn up to pay for it all.

If you are on the spectrum and can't organise your own gathering/meet up you are not too high functioning for Autscape. :D :lol: Autscape itself is a miracle of high functioning, especially as it is organised by people on the spectrum.

I take off hats to them, for their courage, and determination, and am grateful they have created this amazing event for those of us who can't get a big successful gathering off the ground, but want to go to one.

WP has been around for the same length of time as Autscape, 4 years, and how many large WP gatherings have happened in Europe in that time? 0
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Kind of the reason why we should not gamble with it - perhaps?



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08 Feb 2009, 3:32 am

Kangoogle wrote:
ouinon wrote:
It has just occurred to me that Autscape may be meant for people who can't manage to organise their own ( big ) gatherings. That is to say a lot of us on WP, including me.

It was when I realised, somewhere on page 4 of this thread, that we would need to know not only how many people would travel to which countries for a gathering, but also how much money they would be prepared to pay and for how many nights, and what sort of venue, before we could really organise/confirm anything anywhere, that I remembered Autscape.

I began to realise all the things that I/we would have to know and do and be in order to organise a gathering. Not only would we/someone need to collect a lot of information from people on WP, but also to start negotiating with hotel owners/university administrators, etc, etc, and also be confident enough to put down big deposits on properties/bookings, etc, despite not knowing if enough, or any, people would turn up to pay for it all.

Autscape itself is a miracle of high functioning, especially as it is organised by people on the spectrum. I take off hats to them, for their courage, and determination, and am grateful they have created this amazing event for those of us who can't get a big successful gathering off the ground, but want to go to one.

Kind of a reason why we shouldn't gamble with it - perhaps.

A group of people on the autism spectrum landscape, ( that includes Aspergers ), hold several committee meetings, do all the administration, arrange everything, so that people on the spectrum can go to a big AS gathering, and you think it must be for people less high functioning than you.

Well, perhaps, if you want a meeting and can also organise it yourself. I discovered yesterday that I was getting stressed just sending two e-mails to venues asking for information.
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08 Feb 2009, 4:07 am

The more I think about it the odder it seems that noone, ( or almost ), from WP has been to Autscape. I think it may be the combination of two things:

The meticulous attention paid to "our" needs; we are so used to "soldering on" that such care must mean it is for far weaker mortals than us.

And also because AS/Aspergers very often have trouble imagining, until they seriously set out to do something, just how much work, how much time and effort, something is going to take, and so we tend to think that if we really wanted a meeting we could have one, whenever we wanted, just like that.

So we think that the threads which crop up every couple of months proposing a meeting disappear down the page because of lack of interest, or funds. It is easier to think that.

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08 Feb 2009, 5:04 am

I'm furax because Greentea doesn't want to go to Autscape after all because the prospect of sharing a room with me is too appalling. :wink: ( joke )

No, but seriously, I am puzzled that an event organised by people on the spectrum for people on the spectrum, ( Autscape standing for autism spectrum landscape ), for AS people in Europe, for four years running now, has this effect on most of us.

How many people on WP have managed to meet another WP member? Judging from the occasional threads referring to such meet up's it is a rare, almost miraculous event. So why do people think that organising a gathering of several people will be any easier?

We carry on starting threads suggesting it, and people have fun imagining exotic and exciting locations for it, before the thread sinks to the bottom of the page, and yet the event already exists.

http://www.autscape.org/

The idea that it would be "unfair" to the non-WP attendees, that we would be "hijacking" the event, that we would "dominate the proceedings", is not only dubious, ( neurosnobbism ), and strange, but ludicrous.

I think such thoughts are actually a sign of low self esteem, of insecurity; that in fact far from feeling too much at home for the others there to cope with, :roll: so confident/"high functioning" that it would be as if we were exploiting the event, :roll: many/most of us would actually be nervous, and deeply appreciate the solid structure provided after much careful thought by its AS organisers.

I am going. And I think it would be really brilliant to meet other WP'ers from Europe there too.

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08 Feb 2009, 6:18 am

The organisers are also inviting people to help plan the details, so if there is something that you would like to do/have there, or something you don't like, you can do something about it.

And if you just want to meet other WP'ers you don't have to go to any of the discussions/presentations. Noone will make you. You can spend the whole three days socialising, or hiding in your room, just the same as if it was a big house we had rented for a few days somewhere. And there wouldn't be any cooking/food shopping to do. :)

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08 Feb 2009, 6:40 am

I think autscape sounds a great idea, perhaps if some of us (at least) attend it we will get some good ideas for how to organise a WP meet up. As well if we meet there, you might be more comfortable renting a house at a later date :D



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08 Feb 2009, 8:20 am

ouinon wrote:
The more I think about it the odder it seems that noone, ( or almost ), from WP has been to Autscape. I think it may be the combination of two things:

The meticulous attention paid to "our" needs; we are so used to "soldering on" that such care must mean it is for far weaker mortals than us.

And also because AS/Aspergers very often have trouble imagining, until they seriously set out to do something, just how much work, how much time and effort, something is going to take, and so we tend to think that if we really wanted a meeting we could have one, whenever we wanted, just like that.

So we think that the threads which crop up every couple of months proposing a meeting disappear down the page because of lack of interest, or funds. It is easier to think that.

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The problem is that people imagine too much more like - rather than going for small things people become way too ambitious. Having a meetup with 10 people would be a doable starting people, preferably a daytime meet where those who need to stay overnight somewhere.



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08 Feb 2009, 8:44 am

lotusblossom wrote:
I think autscape sounds a great idea, perhaps if some of us (at least) attend it we will get some good ideas for how to organise a WP meet up. As well if we meet there, you might be more comfortable renting a house at a later date :D

I would love to see you at Autscape. :D

It would be wonderful to meet you after all the discussions we have had. We could talk about diet and AS parenting!

Do you think you will go?

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08 Feb 2009, 9:16 am

ouinon when you (or someone else, but form what I see you took up the organisation) get all the details, dates, place, prices etc I will definitely consider it. can't promise anything yet, but a short weekend trip should be ok.


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08 Feb 2009, 9:32 am

To be elsewhere overnight... that's not working for me, I'd be at risk to have a meltdown.


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08 Feb 2009, 10:11 am

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ouinon when you (or someone else, but from what I see you took up the organisation) get all the details, dates, place, prices etc I will definitely consider it. can't promise anything yet, but a short weekend trip should be ok.

I have decided to go to Autscape, ( the annual european "meet-up" event run by AS for AS ), Tuesday 18 to Friday 21 August, near London, because all the horrendous organisation will be done by other, ( currently braver, more energetic, more experienced ), people, and it is only £185, ( £155 for low incomes ), for 3 nights and almost 4 days full board.

Granted I will probably have to share a room, ( with shower though ), but there will be heaps to do, lots of people to meet, ( between 60 and 80 ), and plenty of both quiet and busy spaces to hang out in, aswell as pleasant grounds outdoors.

At Autscape in 2007 there were people from the UK, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Israel, and New Zealand. Sounds fun. And, if last year's programme is anything to go by, some very interesting discussions.

But I will post/pass on any info I get from the two campus universities I mailed, in case other "more energetic" people want to bother with arranging something else. :wink:
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08 Feb 2009, 10:33 am

I have been to most previous Autscapes. Most participants have always been high-functioning aspies.
Kangoogle, who obviously never attended Autscape himself, is disseminating false information about Autscape.


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08 Feb 2009, 10:33 am

Edit: KenG, I posted at same time as you. If you like I will delete my post which is pretty much same content.

Kangoogle wrote:
I really doubt its the best place for a band of highly functioning people. ... It's very unfair if a group of 20 or so of us show up who already know each other. ... It's not really going to be a brilliant place for a load of high functioning people to descend on.

Of course KenG is going to be forced to deny the fact, but having a readily assembled clique descend on a place makes the remainder feel uncomfortable, especially if the group makes up a sizeable portion of those there.

This is not about neurosnobbery at all (as you term it). More its about letting Autscape run as it was intended. I don't particuarly want to ruin Autscape for those who barely feel confident to leave their own homes much of the time.

I quote KenG's answers to my question on his recent thread about Autscape:

"A lot of WP members attend each year."

"Many people who attend Autscape know each other beforehand, ( in real life, not just online )."

"I have participated in several Autscapes. All of the participants were high-functioning Aspies. We would love it if "low-functioning" auties participated aswell, but in practice it seems only high-functioning Aspies ever come to Autscape."

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