How Can We Prepare for Social Unrest & Civil Disorder?

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How Are You Prepared for Civil Unrest and Social Disorder?
I've got guns, a food hoard, an attack dog and I live in the outback 19%  19%  [ 15 ]
I have some food and medicine that will last me about a month 15%  15%  [ 12 ]
I haven't done anything differently to prepare for social disorder 37%  37%  [ 29 ]
I'm one of the looters and burglars that they're warning about! 10%  10%  [ 8 ]
Social disorder? You mean Asperger Syndrome??? 19%  19%  [ 15 ]
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30 Mar 2009, 7:29 pm

Who ever changed that old law was an idiot.
(probably a politician)


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30 Mar 2009, 9:26 pm

You guys should host your own show. I mean that.



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30 Mar 2009, 10:35 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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The next one is Dec. 12, 2012.

The Long Count is based on 500 times that, about 26,000 years. This marks the end of the Fifth Sun.



If we are both still around on Dec 13, 2012 let us have a big laugh about this nonsense.

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lol and then we all die the 14th lol that would be ironic. :lol:



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30 Mar 2009, 11:14 pm

No, the death thing comes later.

Most of the comets we know are small, kilometers, they cross Earth orbit. This one is massive, so it crosses outside of the inner planets, it will likely take three to five years to circle the sun, a comet orbit can be figured by a 26,000 period.

It leaves a trail around the sun, smaller bodies that have been captured by it's gravity, that come loose near the sun, then fall sun ward. It also disrupts the asteriod field, that was once a planet. Lots of stuff falling into the sun, taking up Earth crossing orbits, Cosmic Littering.

It also fits with the magnetic reversal shown in sea floor spreading in the Atlantic.

The only way this makes sense is if it is very dense, the remains of a burned out star, earth size, but much denser.

Herodotus wrote that his uncle Solon was told by the Egyptian Priests that in their records the sun had risen where it sets, set where it rises, twice. There are also some comments about the elder people saying, this is only your first time around.

Our guess about the last 1.6 Kilometer crater in Mauritania, and the onset of the last ice age is 22,000 years ago, but the elders say 26,000. People were doing some great painting in caves back then, miles underground.

52,000 years matches the end of a 125,000 year ice age.

It will be just like Cowboy Bebop.



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30 Mar 2009, 11:14 pm

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The last I heard some scholar figured out that the Maya dropped a decimal point so their calculations aren't really to great but you do have to give them credit anyway. Come to think of it what ever happened to that society? Well in some ways I guess it just goes to prove that almost any 'advanced' culture eventually bites the bullet when to many 'expert' get involved in politics.


The way I understand it, they got taken over by some barbarians, the Aztecs, who got taken over by some barbarians, the Spanish, who largely got taken over by some barbarians, the Americans, and now the second most recent group of barbarians is in the process of taking over the most recent group.

But stuff like that doesn't happen any more. We'll be around forever.


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30 Mar 2009, 11:24 pm

Catal Huyuk, the first city, was abandoned 8,000 years ago, they never built another,

Rome was abandoned about 410, no one built a city for a thousand years.

The Mayans abandoned cities in 900, long before the Aztec,

So we are the forth wave of city building.

It never lasts.



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30 Mar 2009, 11:34 pm

There are some scholars who believe that city building isn't a 'natural' instinct for humans but something demanded by 'state' type govenrments goinf back into prehistory. Left on our own humans supposedly tend to just form small tribal groups.


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30 Mar 2009, 11:37 pm

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No, the death thing comes later.

Most of the comets we know are small, kilometers, they cross Earth orbit. This one is massive, so it crosses outside of the inner planets, it will likely take three to five years to circle the sun, a comet orbit can be figured by a 26,000 period.

It leaves a trail around the sun, smaller bodies that have been captured by it's gravity, that come loose near the sun, then fall sun ward. It also disrupts the asteriod field, that was once a planet. Lots of stuff falling into the sun, taking up Earth crossing orbits, Cosmic Littering.

It also fits with the magnetic reversal shown in sea floor spreading in the Atlantic.

The only way this makes sense is if it is very dense, the remains of a burned out star, earth size, but much denser.

Herodotus wrote that his uncle Solon was told by the Egyptian Priests that in their records the sun had risen where it sets, set where it rises, twice. There are also some comments about the elder people saying, this is only your first time around.

Our guess about the last 1.6 Kilometer crater in Mauritania, and the onset of the last ice age is 22,000 years ago, but the elders say 26,000. People were doing some great painting in caves back then, miles underground.

52,000 years matches the end of a 125,000 year ice age.

It will be just like Cowboy Bebop.


So what's your take on the largest active volcano on earth...Yellowstone Park sits on the top of it. I think it erupts like every 5000 years in theory. They say that if it were to erupt, it would create an ice age. It would take, in theory according to some science channel, 3 days for the debris to cover the earth, and I forget how many years before we'd see the sun again.



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30 Mar 2009, 11:46 pm

The 12-12-12 myth is just an old myan creation myth that was revived by some smoked out hippie that dropped too much acid and ate too many wild mushrooms.


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30 Mar 2009, 11:50 pm

It seems to be better than the old Y2K myth that had people buying out supermarkets. We need some better myths.


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31 Mar 2009, 12:33 am

The yellowstone Caldera is huge, and active. I think longer than 5,000 years, but ice age material for sure. Enough to cover North America several meters in glowing ash.

Krakatoa changed the weather, great sun rise and sunset, white nights, you could read a paper. Cold.

It is also time for the New Madrid quake, last time it rang church bells in Boston, the Mississippi flowed backwards, had waterfalls, after shocks for months, and now all our power lines, pipelines, corn, wheat, main roads run through there. This is the big one, and like a clock, it is due. It is right where the Mound Builders suddenly vanished.

Clovis shows people in North America 13,000 years ago, then they died. North America has been lightly inhabited for a reason. South America has a much longer period of being inhabited.

On a longer timeline there are short geologically active periods, mountains form, volcanos, earth quakes, then it settled down for a long nap. Old corn fields in South America are now 500 meters too high to grow corn. That is a sudden quarter mile up, Wheee.

The people who survive through time are mostly nomadic bands.

Geologically active periods also fit a cycle. A sudden change in gravatational stress.

Human population also fits a cycle. Lots, then five to ten thousand survivors back at being hunter gathers.

As recently as the Little Ice Age, 1100 to 1300, poor crops, the Black Death, 80% of Europe died, and did not start recovering till 1500. From a million or two they became a half billion.

Plan to survive the first winter, most people won't.



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31 Mar 2009, 12:36 am

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31 Mar 2009, 12:56 am

Now my next question is since you are in New Orleans according to your area with the name...

Is voodoo real?

I really am curious as to what people do think about voodoo in that area. The only movie that ever actually kinda scared me was the Skeleton Key. That just didn't set right with me. Other ones, they might of well named it Scary Movie 17 or something. Not that I totally believe in voodoo, but I do believe in dark magic as every culture seems to have it's own version of it. It's kinda like the police questioning like 4 people individually, and they all come up with the same story. If that's enough evidence to make the police believe their statements are accurate, then I figure a bunch of different cultures coming up with similar stories on their own might also make it accurate.

But on the yellowstone thing, I remember hearing 5,000 years because I linked it in my head with the Mayan Calendar thing. I can't remember the exact terms you used which matches what i've seen in research, but the long thing you were talking about would be like 25ish thousand years as I remember, but the shorter thing is every 5,000 years. I kinda figure this whole thing will probably affect more psychics type of people than anything else, whether they are really psychic and feel something or whether they are faking and have a pscyhosematic (however you spell that) moment. But a lot of science channel shows are about the approach of natural disasters. I also remember hearing something about earth's magnetism changing like between the poles where south pole and north pole will flip magnetically. That just doesn't sound good either.



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31 Mar 2009, 5:44 am

garyww wrote:
There are some scholars who believe that city building isn't a 'natural' instinct for humans but something demanded by 'state' type govenrments goinf back into prehistory. Left on our own humans supposedly tend to just form small tribal groups.


But: How created states and governments? They were not implanted by alien from outer space, but humans did so. Independently they started so in different corners of the world, like humans started to build cities independently.

It seems more that forming complex societies with governing bodies (vulgo: state) and cities is part of our set-up as humans. So London, Beijing or New York is perhaps our natural habitat. Further: If cities have been destroyed, by natural forces or war, they have been normally rebuild.



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31 Mar 2009, 7:28 am

essential reading IMO, this is a guys accounts of surviving & protecting his family through the collapse in 90s argentina. Lots to think about!

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thou ... -2005.html
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/09/econ ... n-usa.html

ill summarise a few pointers from memory:

1. Buy small denomination *scrap* gold for bartering - 9ct rings are ideal.
2. living in a remote area can actually leaves you more vulnerable to the worst extremes of sadistic assaults.
3. buy small, easily concealable handguns you can take shopping, to work etc.


IMO:

beyond basic survival techniques (the 'hoods woods' DVDs are great!) the most important resource long term wont be how much food or gold you can stash away, but the skills and knowledge you possess - agricultural, foraging, mechanical, medical etc... make yourself useful. Best of all, i think youll find developing these kind of skills wont feed a paranoid 'survivalist' mindset, but be highly rewarding and life-affirming as well as increasing your sense of security, esteem and connection with nature.