Just because I have AS, do I have to respect all autists?

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16 Jun 2009, 9:03 pm

sort of like that.
AceOfSpades, Postperson about that sociopath thing do you mean me?

I'm not trying to infiltrate anything.


edit - I have read about what a sociopath is , I'm 100% not that so I'm out of here I seriously don't need to be pushed off for a random thought in aforum about around a condition I denied for 6 years.......... .



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16 Jun 2009, 9:18 pm

Well thank you for that link, it's actually really good reading and i've book-marked it. I wonder in his example are we the lycans or vampires?



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16 Jun 2009, 10:01 pm

I bagsy being Victor he is awesome but seriously aspies would make terrible sociopaths I myself am a bit crazy and people say I'm crazy but that is because I am bound by logic and fantasy (wrong word but thinking outside the box) Your posts sound really resentful towards aspies only because of your personal issues which is not good as many aspies myself being one of them just want to take solace in places like here because it is a great community where everyone is bound by creed and can insantly know how each other have lived life to an extent. Its great to meet people like I have met mechanicalgirl who lives in the next island from me or fellow brits.

However your post seems to want to verge to the fact that all aspies are psychopaths (sociopaths) only because you want to in some way make yourself feel better or take a jab at a label you have hated for so long and finally take your act upon it. Also that theory of us wanting a utopia we don't most of us have NT friends I have 2 but thats because I don't like being with people. I don't want gllobal domination or an easier world. Aspies would generally meet other aspies but rarely and this place is a sanctuary for us not a meeting room where we plot to kill.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:03 pm

I read the sociopath website last time Postperson posted the link and i found it fascinating. Anyone who isnt sure of the difference between AS and sociopathy should read that website, it will all become clear. They seem to be the complete opposite to us, but yet they are sort of outsiders like us....

And people need to realise that lack of empathy and lack of remorse are not the same thing.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:17 pm

zen_mistress wrote:
I read the sociopath website last time Postperson posted the link and i found it fascinating. Anyone who isnt sure of the difference between AS and sociopathy should read that website, it will all become clear. They seem to be the complete opposite to us, but yet they are sort of outsiders like us....

And people need to realise that lack of empathy and lack of remorse are not the same thing.

Spectrum disorder and all that, i actually got the impression we're very similar. That said, this community does seem to have many individuals who are hyper-emotive, hyper-empathic, i can see how that is the complete opposite.

I myself have to keep reminding myself that other people do actually exist. You'd be amazed how "unreal" people can seem when you have no emotive response to them. Hard to be remorseful when people don't seem real, and you don't actually know what "sad" feels like.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:44 pm

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re: cc469: yeah more punctuation might help.

are you saying there's always exceptions to the rule? i wouldn't deny that but we do have evidence of a sociopath trying to infiltrate and pass itself off as an aspie. If one would then so would others, they prefer a less notorious dx, which i can understand but that doesn't mean i accept their subterfuge.

http://www.sociopathworld.com/search?q=aspies
i don't know. aspies are always talking about how they can tell who are the sociopaths and who aren't, but they have always seemed to me as clueless regarding sociopaths as they are regarding neuro typicals. in fact, i'm pretty sure sociopaths have already infiltrated the aspie/autie movements and do their business with those groups undetected. the good news is, though, that if it hasn't become a problem already, maybe the socios and aspies can live symbiotically.

....sometimes i even claim to be an aspie myself. who wouldn't? if for nothing else, for the aspie pride t-shirts! i mean, i have certain of the signs -- inability to pick up social cues, weak sense of empathy, inability to conform to social norms. all i would have to do is tone down the charm a little. if i can pass amongst the empaths, certainly i can keep a low profile amongst the remarkably unaware aspies. and who knows, maybe all sociopaths are aspies. right aspies? just like the movie underworld with the vampires and werewolves being long lost cousins, socios and aspies can finally realize that we are really just two sides of the same coin. what do you say, aspies? ready to become one big family again?

ugh

A lot of the stuff posted on that site sounds like grandiose talk to me. I don't believe there's an online sociopath conspiracy to infiltrate autism/aspergers sites while posing as aspies.



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16 Jun 2009, 10:50 pm

Michjo wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
I read the sociopath website last time Postperson posted the link and i found it fascinating. Anyone who isnt sure of the difference between AS and sociopathy should read that website, it will all become clear. They seem to be the complete opposite to us, but yet they are sort of outsiders like us....

And people need to realise that lack of empathy and lack of remorse are not the same thing.

Spectrum disorder and all that, i actually got the impression we're very similar. That said, this community does seem to have many individuals who are hyper-emotive, hyper-empathic, i can see how that is the complete opposite.

I myself have to keep reminding myself that other people do actually exist. You'd be amazed how "unreal" people can seem when you have no emotive response to them. Hard to be remorseful when people don't seem real, and you don't actually know what "sad" feels like.


No we are, on the whole, not that similar.

I had a boyfriend who I believe has these traits. The feeling I had from being with him was that he was far, far more socially able than me, in fact able to run rings around me socially.

Yet he was an outsider like me, because like me, a lot of people would talk about him behind his back because he did a lot of things that other people would not do, such as rip people off, cheat, etc.

People talked about me a lot too, but it was because I was accidentally insulting others, or making a fool of myself somewhere.

I did sort of feel a connection with him though because I sensed that like me he was outside society. His experience of life I dont think resembled mine though.

Perhaps you do have some sociopathic traits there. You could also have alexithymia, which is an inability to recognise own feelings... or something like that.



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17 Jun 2009, 12:36 am

Michjo wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
I read the sociopath website last time Postperson posted the link and i found it fascinating. Anyone who isnt sure of the difference between AS and sociopathy should read that website, it will all become clear. They seem to be the complete opposite to us, but yet they are sort of outsiders like us....

And people need to realise that lack of empathy and lack of remorse are not the same thing.

Spectrum disorder and all that, i actually got the impression we're very similar. That said, this community does seem to have many individuals who are hyper-emotive, hyper-empathic, i can see how that is the complete opposite.

I myself have to keep reminding myself that other people do actually exist. You'd be amazed how "unreal" people can seem when you have no emotive response to them. Hard to be remorseful when people don't seem real, and you don't actually know what "sad" feels like.

The main difference I think is that sociopaths usually enjoy acting and putting on a show of themselves. The whole "charm" thing. That's their whole purpose in life. Role playing. I can't relate to that. I don't want to be a phony.



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17 Jun 2009, 1:05 am

Actually I think it's my bad for not reading this thread up from the first pages.
I'm certainly not calling aspies sociopaths or taking a kick at something.


Po be punctual this time my point is that : 1: while you have to be by default a bit positive for the better and understand whoever has stuff in common with you etc 2:You absolutely can't expect anything in a nutshell nihilist philosophy.

so If that's not right I don't really know what you want :?


as much as the sociopaths infiltration thing either 1: they for some reason pretend or play out existing stuff for some obscure reason ? or 2:they are sortof trolling so it;s not limited to them just random trolls. but from what you wrote I can easily see they might be "real life trolls" living on that stuff.



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17 Jun 2009, 3:06 pm

I've officially lost all respect for my only aspie friend (or ex friend) who keeps touching me in a sexual way (he's gay) and is the most annoying weirdo ever. He's not even trying to keep the only friends he's ever had. I don't plan on seeing that loser this summer and I don't think any of my other friends do either. So no, you don't have to like everyone else on the spectrum any more than NTs like every other NT.