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easily the properly funded and oriented private charity.

The feds barely do a better job with anything they get their hands on.

it depends on the person. not the diagonsis.

no, life isn't a zero-game philosophy; that's a very commonly believed philosophy, but it's wrong.

It isn't "if I win, you lose"; it's more along the lines of "if I win, I'll help you get to where you need to be so you can win, too".

At least...that's how nature is run. Nature is run by logic, humans by emotion.

Nature dictates that the apple falls from the true. Humans say "it's not fair that it does".

Of course...you too would also say that the apple falls from the tree, as you're more one with nature, and understand logic over emotion...you can use that to your advantage.

For them, it's all about altruistic competition...then they can never explain the underlying foundations of their beliefs, because it's already so conflicted due to wanting to do the right thing, but not believing that the right thing is right.

You know deep down what the right thing is; your emotions won't get in the way like theirs will.

You have that in your favor, and they don't.

remember that.

RE: everyone has a marketable skill,

Actually, disability is there when someone has no marketable skills, or what skill/skills the person has/have are greatly drowned out by inability, making them effectively useless (or again, the skill/skills aren't marketable).

In my contry there is invalids benifit. I am on that. My family can not aford to look after me. I would not have any where to go with out it. I have high functioning autism. This is the same as asperger syndrome I think. I am not able to work now. I find talking very difiult. I have had many years of spech langage theripy. I have other difiuclties like verbal apraxia. I talk alot in one word sentences. They can be hard to get out. havign trouble with talking makes finding a job dificult. I have some difficulty with understanding what is happening also. My tantrums are very bad when I have them. I have given my self black eyes. I somtiems scratch at my face till it is bleading. I have a inteligence with in normal ragnes over all. my scores range from a 7 year old to 98 percentile. I am doing a corse for people with interlectual disabilties. It is to help me get a job. I do not have a intelectual disability. I do have a disability called high functioning autism. I am tryign my best. My GP, psyclogist, psyciatirst belive I need full tiem care. My sister is my caregiver. She gets 40$ a week as my full tiem caregiver. I live with her btu she can not aford rent. My money is improtant so she can have me. For rent and bills and food. I am not lazy. I try hard at my corse. I want to have a job. It is a hard corse. There is lots of noise and it is stresful. I am good at art. I draw. My drawings are not worth money. I can draw a lot it is what I am good at but i will still be homelse with out my benifit.

Don't pretend you are this supremely logical thinker. I guarantee you are not so spare me the condescending crap. You clearly have your own ill-conceived simplistic beliefs which you stubbornly cling to. Maybe this is comfortable for you. It's nice and secure to see the world in black-and-white terms. It's nice to think you have the world all figured out and can show all us silly hysterical heathens the light. That's emotion guiding you right there. Don't pretend you're above it. You're not.

Most of your arguments are not even logical for that matter. Not that it matters since a moral premise can never be based solely on logic. In fact the NAZIs thought their eugenics programs were in perfect agreement with the logic of nature. Logic is for studying nature. It's not for deciding policy or ethics.

Capitalism isn't the holy grail. It also has an ugly underside which you refuse to acknowledge.

I've never been on unemployment/disability or similar and no, I'm not happy that so many abuse the system, but I'm a lot more bothered to see people forced to sleep in the street or eat from the garbage. I've been paying taxes (high taxes here in Europe) for 15 years now and I see the leeches as a small price to pay as long as those in real need get some of that money. Unfortunately, many of those who keep saying that the poor should "help themselves" are just hiding their heads in the sand.

I might not be fond of paying such high taxes and I'm "made" to pay for all sort of things I don't agree with but the sad reality is that most people wouldn't give a penny if they weren't "made" to, nor do they give a damn about what happens to others as long as they aren't directly affected by it.

* I don't understand why so many think a welfare oriented state equates socialism - should I remind them that socialism entails that all means of productions are owned by the state?

Last time I looked humans were part of nature are they not?

Therefor, Isn't human emotion part of nature too?

You do know logic isn't something where you pick the facts that suit your opinion and ignore the rest don't you?

If you want to ride on the logic high horse at least use logic

Peace ellomo

I explained my point already: with nature, the apple falls from the tree. In regards to it, the human says "it's not fair that the apple falls from the tree".

The thing is that A is A.

The apple will fall from the tree regardless of whether or not the human likes it.

That's the way nature works, and that's apparently the way Autistic minds work as well which is what I was trying to say.

You haven't explained anything there. That means nothing other than to fit some stupid idea YOU have in YOUR head.

What does that even mean A is A. The apple falls from the tree. FFS The apple might get eaten by a bird before it gets a chance to fall from the tree.

You're just dribbling rubbish now.


It is this simple. Plenty of others have LOGICALY explained it to you through out this thread but you have chosen to ignore logic.

You are a naive bigot trying to convince people your idea is right whilst disregarding any facts that don't suit. You can keep replying to this thread till the moon falls out of the sky but it won't change that FACT.

Peace ellomo

In nature those life forms which are unfit for survival tend not to reproduce. Humans are part of nature. It's clear that disabled people are less equipped to survive in this society. Therefore it's only natural that we implement eugenics programs to eliminate unnecessary suffering in future generations.

You see, eugenics is a good thing regardless of whether some people with unfit genes think it's unfair that they must be eliminated from the gene pool. It follows nature and logic that they should be eliminated. Nature doesn't care about silly human emotions or empathy. You can protest and cry "unfair" all you want but nature is LOGICAL. Anyone who opposes eugenics is clearly letting their silly emotions cloud their better judgement.

That was me, 100%. I finally, after one such "it just isn't working out," ended up unemployed for so long that no one wanted to talk to me anymore, and I mean even for grunt-level jobs and when the economy was good; at the point where I got married and became a housewife, I'd been unemployed for SEVEN YEARS despite devoting my life to job hunting, despite slogging grimly on long after everyone but my immediate family had admitted that they thought I should just give up.

The cold hard truth is that YOU don't get to decide if you get hired at a workplace, or if you get to stay there if you do get hired. Other people make those choices, and they make them based on things they can't put a finger on and you can't control, can't change by force of will or overcome by being a model employee.

It's the same for friendships, romantic relationships, even stuff like renting an apartment or joining a club; whether you get in and stay in depends 100% on other people and their opinions of you. Most folks have very loose standards, as you can see from all the worthless people that nevertheless have jobs, romantic partners and the full spectrum of social relationships, but if you "feel" wrong to someone as we typically do you're OUT, no matter how hard you've tried or how nice you've been.

My problem is with a political view that looks no farther than the government's expenditure report.

In my jursidiction the government took a scorched earth approach to cutting the social assistance rolls. Institutional beds for mental health care were closed; application processes for social assistance were made more complex; waiting periods were imposed; addresses were required. And what do you know, it worked. The number of people on welfare in this province plummetted.

Except, the people who had relied on welfare didn't go away. They're still here.

Did some fine work? I'm certain that some did. Did most? Not a chance.

So what do we have to show for the government's fiscal restraint: the country's worst homelessness problem, the country's poorest postal code--in the middle of the City with the country's highest property values, high levels of property crime. We are paying--not through income taxes anymore, but through the economic losses caused by higher home insurance premiums, by theft of property, by the decay of neighborhoods in the urban core, and by the loss of productivity of people who, with a modicum of help just might be able to life themselves out of poverty.

Every person needs the basic necessities of life: food, clothing and shelter. If they cannot work, or if no one will hire them, then they will turn to other means to obtain them. Some turn to begging, some to crime.

Certainly some charities tried to step in--but today, when the need is greatest, people's capacity to give is the most constrained.

According to some studies, providing resources for the homeless in Vancouver costs $60,000 per person per year. This includes shelter, medical care, food, drug/alcohol counselling, court fees, etc.
Providing welfare is FAR CHEAPER than leaving people on the streets!

And to all of you that believe nature is some kind of "survival of the fittest" mentality, this is a popular misconception. Humans are very social creatures, and in our past we helped others as part of the community (not talking about the past 200 years, after everyone moved into cities. Culture changed dramatically after that.) Naturally, we are built to help each other, and NOT be selfish. Read the book "The Age of Empathy" by Frans De Waal.

To the OP:

I am not yet collecting disability or any type of state or federal assistance for my AS. Though I hope I will be able to soon.

I usually work about 32 of the 40 hours per week that I am scheduled. My doctors have given me a bunch of meds just so that I am able to make it through an 8 hour shift. Most days I don't make it that long. Some days I don't go to work at all.

One time I had a meltdown so bad at work that I tried to kill myself. At work. Being there and knowing I had to be there day after day forever, was just too much for me. I ODed on benzos (a whole bottle of them). Why? It's too noisy, there are too many people, I can't take it anymore. I got in some serious trouble with my employers, girlfriend, and doctors for that, though I later tried to play it off like it was an accident even though I was unconscious for almost two days.

I can work. But not enough hours to even come close to supporting myself. Not without serious problems like I just illustrated. I could probably work 4 hours a day 4 days a week without serious problems. But right now, without assistance, I have no choice but to give over my life and my sanity to NT work standards.

As soon as i can possibly get approved for SSDI, you can be sure I'll be taking full advantage of any and all assistance the government can give me. The severity of my AS makes it not only a disability, but in ways a threat to my life. I will not and can not feel guilty for needing help. In fact the one thing I want most in the whole world, is help for this.

I am able to work. I am lucky. I don't consider my own good fortune in this particular area a reason to think others should be denied benefits if their particular case prevents them from working. Mine causes me enough misery in other areas that I would be the last to deny someone else relief in an area just because my own doesn't affect me in that particular way.

~Kate