Religion (or lack thereof) and Autism/Asperger's?

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(People with Autism/Aspergers Only) Religion or Not?
I am very religious, and attend religious services/meetings as often as possible. 9%  9%  [ 54 ]
I am religious, but do not always attend religious services/meetings. 8%  8%  [ 43 ]
I am religious, and attend meetings/services on occasion. 2%  2%  [ 14 ]
I am religious, but I rarely attend meetings/services. 9%  9%  [ 51 ]
I am confused in this area. 6%  6%  [ 35 ]
I am agnostic. 24%  24%  [ 136 ]
I am atheist. 42%  42%  [ 239 ]
Total votes : 572

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07 Jul 2010, 6:21 pm

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See, this is one of the most annoying things about many Christians, the need to preach in an attempt to "convert" people.


That is our JOB Our Holy orders are to preach until the whole world hears. Our goal is to save everyone, I dont want to see anybody face eternal death.

We are just carrying out the ORDERS that were given to us.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:29 pm

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See, this is one of the most annoying things about many Christians, the need to preach in an attempt to "convert" people.


That is our JOB Our Holy orders are to preach until the whole world hears. Our goal is to save everyone, I dont want to see anybody face eternal death.

We are just carrying out the ORDERS that were given to us.


Well you suck at your job. Too baaaaaaad you're such a sheep. No one wants to be "saved," keep your idiocy to yourself.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:31 pm

in the words of eric cartman:"screw you guys im going home"

i cant help people who dont want help. and by the way variant: GOD will decide how well ive done my job.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:31 pm

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A store clerk knowing people will stop in at their store is nowhere near comparable to a God that created us. The Christian God would have us believe we are free to make whatever choice we want and at the same time he gives us a set of 'rules' we are not to break... knowing we will break them?


No, that's not what Christianity teaches. Jesus came so that we wouldn't have to follow rules to be saved; so that we could be saved despite our imperfections.

I'd argue that even that actually points to a deeper spiritual truth. But the above is Christianity in a nutshell.


Depends on the denomination. I was raised Mormon, and that's not what I was taught.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:34 pm

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Seems a bit sadistic to me.
God must be masochistic too since he tortured and killed himself. Just look at the story to see how impossible he is to understand:

According to the Bible, Jesus is a god that gave birth to himself, sacrificed himself, whilst asking how has he forsaken himself, before he came back as a zombie who can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. :lol:


*nod* So true. I just don't understand how anyone could look at the Christian god and see a merciful and loving deity. It's just not logical.

It reminds me a bit of Battered Wife Syndrome or Stockholm Syndrome.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:39 pm

Mysty wrote:
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A store clerk knowing people will stop in at their store is nowhere near comparable to a God that created us. The Christian God would have us believe we are free to make whatever choice we want and at the same time he gives us a set of 'rules' we are not to break... knowing we will break them?


No, that's not what Christianity teaches. Jesus came so that we wouldn't have to follow rules to be saved; so that we could be saved despite our imperfections.

I'd argue that even that actually points to a deeper spiritual truth. But the above is Christianity in a nutshell.


Also, let's not forget a very important key element of free will is that God made us knowing that if he molded us a certain way we would make very specific choices. It's like me sticking ingredients of a cake into a cake pan and putting it in the oven, then taking no credit by saying "It's free to rise and become fluffy if it wants to."

There is no choice... it's how the ingredients react with each other.


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07 Jul 2010, 6:53 pm

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in the words of eric cartman:"screw you guys im going home"

i cant help people who dont want help. and by the way variant: GOD will decide how well ive done my job.


And Santa Claus will decide if you were naughty or nice and whether you should get coal or presents. So, you have fun with your fairy tale creatures, I'll be here in the real world.


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07 Jul 2010, 7:04 pm

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And Santa Claus will decide if you were naughty or nice and whether you should get coal or presents. So, you have fun with your fairy tale creatures, I'll be here in the real world.


all i can say is get your kicks in now, in a few years you wont want the "real" world. If you want to spit in the face of a supreme being, thats up to you, but i caution: what goes around comes around.

your mocking me does not faze me one bit, im used to it. now im just waiting for this thread to get locked, i cant imagine thats too far off.


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07 Jul 2010, 7:10 pm

thechadmaster wrote:
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And Santa Claus will decide if you were naughty or nice and whether you should get coal or presents. So, you have fun with your fairy tale creatures, I'll be here in the real world.


all i can say is get your kicks in now, in a few years you wont want the "real" world. If you want to spit in the face of a supreme being, thats up to you, but i caution: what goes around comes around.

your mocking me does not faze me one bit, im used to it. now im just waiting for this thread to get locked, i cant imagine thats too far off.


I hope you're not too disappointed if you turn out to be wrong. :-(


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07 Jul 2010, 7:33 pm

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And Santa Claus will decide if you were naughty or nice and whether you should get coal or presents. So, you have fun with your fairy tale creatures, I'll be here in the real world.


all i can say is get your kicks in now, in a few years you wont want the "real" world. If you want to spit in the face of a supreme being, thats up to you, but i caution: what goes around comes around.

your mocking me does not faze me one bit, im used to it. now im just waiting for this thread to get locked, i cant imagine thats too far off.


Save your ridiculous platitudes for others as feeble minded as yourself, who actually care about anything you have to say.


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07 Jul 2010, 7:38 pm

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Save your ridiculous platitudes for others as feeble minded as yourself, who actually care about anything you have to say.


if you dont care about what i have to say, why do you keep responding?


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07 Jul 2010, 7:47 pm

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Save your ridiculous platitudes for others as feeble minded as yourself, who actually care about anything you have to say.


if you dont care about what i have to say, why do you keep responding?


If someone responds to me, I respond to them, whether I care what they have to say or not. I find it rude to ignore people, just part of my moral code. You know that silly thing I shouldn't even have since I'm not religious and don't believe in hell.

Besides I'm not the one who said they were done and or leaving the thread multiple times already, only to then come back and continue posting.


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07 Jul 2010, 10:33 pm

God made a rule that he would not interfere with free will, man chooses to sin. Im sure God does not approve of hilters actions, but the earth is satans domain. satan loves to cause trouble up here, and that will continue until judgement day.[/quote


>>> Speaking of free will, God offers us two options join me or die. (eternal salvation life), we have Freewill to chose to be obedient "slaves" (context: servants) or to die. Kind of like how the Spartans were offered two choices submission or death, and we all know what happened.



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07 Jul 2010, 11:24 pm

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God made a rule that he would not interfere with free will, man chooses to sin. Im sure God does not approve of hilters actions, but the earth is satans domain. satan loves to cause trouble up here, and that will continue until judgement day.


Explain to me how "free will" is possible if god is OMNISCIENT ("ALL KNOWING".)

If god is truly omniscient, he would've known EXACTLY what Hitler was going to do an eternity prior to creating him. After all, an omniscient god would know everything about the past, present, future and everything else.

But he created him anyway didn't he?


Chad just explained that, but bear in mind that this isn't the proper thread for this kind of discussion. If we get into a "who's religion is best" debate, we will be here forever.

But I'll try to elaborate from a religious perspective for those that are curious. However, don't expect it to make any sense if you don't believe in God in the first place.

So yes, God knew about hitler when he first created Adam in the Garden of Eden. But Hitler was not created. He had a mother and a father and the rest was biology. There have been many "hitlers" throughout history and there will be more to come. God generally does not interfere with these things.

A lot of people have a serious misconception about God. They perceive him as being an old guy in a white robe that goes around helping people who are good and punishing people who are bad - kind of like Santa Claus with a different wardrobe.

The biggest misconception about God is that he is fair. He isn't fair and this is very clear to people who study the Bible. And he never promised to be fair either. If he was fair, none of us would have AS and robbers would drop dead the second they robbed someone.

In the Christian religion, as strange as this sounds, there are murderers that will go to heaven and peaceful, law abiding people who always volunteer and help the poor that will go to hell. You can't get any more unfair than that, but its true.

So why would a peaceful, law abiding do-gooder go to hell? We all carry Adam's sin by being his descendant. Thus, we are guilty of sin before we are even born.

So how can a murderer go to heaven? Christ came to Earth and essentially gave everyone a "Get out of hell free" card. The catch is that you have to ask for it. So if a murderer asks for this, he will get it, and go to heaven while the do-gooder who didn't ask for it, goes to hell for a sin committed by his ancestor.

So again, if you try to understand Christianity by applying normal rules of fairness, you will only succeed at confusing yourself.



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07 Jul 2010, 11:36 pm

thechadmaster wrote:
God made a rule that he would not interfere with free will, man chooses to sin. Im sure God does not approve of hilters actions, but the earth is satans domain. satan loves to cause trouble up here, and that will continue until judgement day.


So why, if God chooses not to interfere with free will & to let people sin, do people think it is okay to kill abortionists for their so-called sins? Do they think they are better than God?
Surely, they should let God decide on that person's fate rather than taking it into their own hands.



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07 Jul 2010, 11:43 pm

I'm not religious, but I don't think its always a case of "science vs religion".

I have a great interest and respect for science, also for spirituality.