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20 Jan 2011, 12:30 am

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If nothing else, it is a great topic for discussion. It lasts almost as long as the discussions on the arguments for and against religion or liberals vs. conservatives in the PPR section. I've been following this discussion and feel like an expert now on the pros and cons of the herb. I wonder how many people have tried it by now and just aren't admitting it. After all there was alot of research in China to back those claims up on those advertising sites. I couldn't find the original source of the article, though. Okay, can I have my cup of tea now. Really, the discussion about the herb is giving me a placebo effect. How long will it last? I did my best but I don't think I can kill this one. :wink:

All teas brag about a "calming effect," and this is all our original poster actually claims it does for him. And he's not even sure he's is an Aspie. And personally, I have my own favorite calming beverages... and herbs.


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20 Jan 2011, 1:10 am

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If nothing else, it is a great topic for discussion. It lasts almost as long as the discussions on the arguments for and against religion or liberals vs. conservatives in the PPR section. I've been following this discussion and feel like an expert now on the pros and cons of the herb. I wonder how many people have tried it by now and just aren't admitting it. After all there was alot of research in China to back those claims up on those advertising sites. I couldn't find the original source of the article, though. Okay, can I have my cup of tea now. Really, the discussion about the herb is giving me a placebo effect. How long will it last? I did my best but I don't think I can kill this one. :wink:

All teas brag about a "calming effect," and this is all our original poster actually claims it does for him. And he's not even sure he's is an Aspie. And personally, I have my own favorite calming beverages... and herbs.


Yes, if it was a tea that was commonly known to calm like chamomile tea, I don't think there would have been much discussion on the issue. When I hear the name of the herb "jiaogulan"; the name itself sounds a little sinister in itself. I picture a snake strangling someone when I hear it. When I researched and found that it had a calming effect the post seemed enthuisiastic, but reasonable.

Chances are they actually do more scientific research on herbs in China than they do here; I guess it would be difficult to prove or disprove the research in China cited in the article that you can find in so many places on the internet. We know herbs like Marijuana have a tremendous effect on the brain, but most of us know what Marijuana is so we don't question this; the same can be said for chamomile tea, though the effect, in comparison is mild. Really the only way to know the effect of the jiaogulan tea is to try it, and the effect, however mild or potent, would vary from person to person, like other herbs or drugs do. So, if ten of us tried it and reported we felt something or didn't feel something, ultimately it would be a subjective judgement. Anyway, the topic continues to thrive.



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20 Jan 2011, 5:18 am

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Apparently, some of you missed this:

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Because some of you were asking for more "proof" though personally I don't think this proves anything.

We were asking for evidence, but having said "personally I don't think this proves anything" it then makes no sense whatever to post it, really.


I was giving (some) posters what they were asking for to prove I could do it. The only claims I make about the product are my own experiences though obviously results could vary.

My point in that in this day and age and given that many of you have the same tools in front of you, so doing a search and a cut and paste is almost pointless.



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20 Jan 2011, 5:37 am

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So, if ten of us tried it and reported we felt something or didn't feel something, ultimately it would be a subjective judgement.



Yes, BUT we would still learn something. This is what I would like to know. No, I have never felt anything from Chamomile Tea. And what I am talking about isn't subtle. Its strong.

BTW, and I think I have written this already that I don't always feel that strong a reaction with this stuff. And now I am trying to get to the bottom of why. So I'm experimenting with the temperature of the water now. I think the grade of the plant could be a factor too, and maybe its possible that the active ingredients that are helping me are not evenly concentrated in the various stashes I am working with.

But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.



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20 Jan 2011, 7:30 am

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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


If it works like a stimulant it could make it easier to stay focused. I wonder if you will build a tolerance to it.


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20 Jan 2011, 8:30 am

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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


I think you'll get farther with the folks here if, instead of saying you feel less-Aspie-like, you are more specific and talk about what specifically you feel less of. Many people here don't think of "less Aspie" as a good thing.


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20 Jan 2011, 9:54 am

Mysty wrote:
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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


I think you'll get farther with the folks here if, instead of saying you feel less-Aspie-like, you are more specific and talk about what specifically you feel less of. Many people here don't think of "less Aspie" as a good thing.


Indeed. If I were offered a tea that could change my personality into someone else I would avoid it like the plague.



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20 Jan 2011, 4:14 pm

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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


I think you'll get farther with the folks here if, instead of saying you feel less-Aspie-like, you are more specific and talk about what specifically you feel less of. Many people here don't think of "less Aspie" as a good thing.


Don't hate on me but once you've think you've tasted the offerings from the "good plate" you will realize you've been feeding on shat from the other plate.

Just saying.

Who here also thinks that they have seen the other side, even if they only caught a fleeting glimpse ?



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20 Jan 2011, 4:24 pm

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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


If it works like a stimulant it could make it easier to stay focused. I wonder if you will build a tolerance to it.


So far I would say "No" but my baseline seems to be shifting so I would say that it seems like their is a tolerance build up when what is really happening is a slow down in the rate of transformation.



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20 Jan 2011, 4:37 pm

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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


If it works like a stimulant it could make it easier to stay focused. I wonder if you will build a tolerance to it.


So far I would say "No" but my baseline seems to be shifting so I would say that it seems like their is a tolerance build up when what is really happening is a slow down in the rate of transformation.


What were you transforming into?



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20 Jan 2011, 4:52 pm

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Don't hate on me but once you've think you've tasted the offerings from the "good plate" you will realize you've been feeding on shat from the other plate.

Just saying.

Who here also thinks that they have seen the other side, even if they only caught a fleeting glimpse ?

I think you are trying to figure it ALL out. But no cup of tea, or clever new age author (Eckhart Tolle) is going to transform my existence. I think that humans are wired across a SPECTRUM. It's a bell curve... no one moves very far from where they start.


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20 Jan 2011, 5:06 pm

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Don't hate on me but once you've think you've tasted the offerings from the "good plate" you will realize you've been feeding on shat from the other plate.

Just saying.

Who here also thinks that they have seen the other side, even if they only caught a fleeting glimpse ?

I think you are trying to figure it ALL out. But no cup of tea, or clever new age author (Eckhart Tolle) is going to transform my existence. I think that humans are wired across a SPECTRUM. It's a bell curve... no one moves very far from where they start.


Of course I am but I also realize that its impossible. You can only figure things out or think you have (which you haven't) and then everything continues to evolve and its no longer valid.

How do you know that no one moves very far ?



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20 Jan 2011, 5:09 pm

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no one moves very far from where they start.


What? Oh dear... I like to think I've grown a bit since the time I was birthed.


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But I am honest to a fault, that's who I am. And I swear to anyone that will listen or read this that I have had several periods since I started drinking this stuff where I feel much less Aspie-like. And I'm also saying that that's a good thing.


If it works like a stimulant it could make it easier to stay focused. I wonder if you will build a tolerance to it.


So far I would say "No" but my baseline seems to be shifting so I would say that it seems like their is a tolerance build up when what is really happening is a slow down in the rate of transformation.


What were you transforming into?


Hopefully its not "were" but "are" instead.



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20 Jan 2011, 5:11 pm

Two words: gratuitous advertising.

Sorry, this just rings fake for me.



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20 Jan 2011, 5:24 pm

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Hopefully its not "were" but "are" instead.


He does sound like an ad rep. Never really answers anything, just gives lots of fluffy answers that make good sound bites but have no depth or meaning. Implying that he is changing into a non-aspie via magic tea. I am pretty sure he is not not now, nor ever has been, anywhere on the spectrum.