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14 Jul 2006, 12:36 am

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Please do not ignore this.


I am not saying I agree with MrMark, but maybe he ignored you because it is obvious that you have issues regarding reactions of males to your appearance, and a little bit too much of an emotional investment in the issue, leading to impaired ability to distinguish good from bad in males.



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14 Jul 2006, 12:42 am

MrMark seems hell-bent on organizing and scheduling to getting things done, just as he was taught in Management Training, without ever wondering why. For in the words of that great Zen Master Francis Eleven: "Thinking only slows you down, Logan."

Indeed there seems a nigh magical hubris in much worrying about adverse social impact beyond shear boredom.

Again, how does anyone plan on ever engaging the audience?


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14 Jul 2006, 12:55 am

emp wrote:
riley wrote:
MrMark,
Please do not ignore this.


I am not saying I agree with MrMark, but maybe he ignored you because it is obvious that you have issues regarding reactions of males to your appearance, and a little bit too much of an emotional investment in the issue, leading to impaired ability to distinguish good from bad in males.

But MrMark ignores every hint of controversy on any point, sex-negative, sex-positive or entirely otherwise.


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14 Jul 2006, 1:56 am

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But MrMark ignores every hint of controversy on any point, sex-negative, sex-positive or entirely otherwise.

Not true. For example, look no further than page 2, where MrMark responds to an allegation that he asks for naked photos.



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14 Jul 2006, 2:02 am

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If someone gets a company, like Future Horizons for instance, that sells books and stuff on autism, they could probably advertise the product and then even more people would buy it than if it was displayed on WrongPlanet alone. I think a product like that displayed in other peoples' homes could probably increase awareness on Asperger's and ASD's, which could be a good thing.


Honestly seriously unless the company you go through doesn't support giving the income made from it to groups like Autism Speaks, Cure Autism Now and NAAR, then I'd say go for it.

If they do try and push for this project's earnings go to those charities, etc and companies will easily twist things to their advantage if they don't respect Aspies and support those charities and a cure. I'll firmly boycott (and get others to boycott as well) as it's a waste of money when there are other more productive means the money can be used to help autistics than towards groups that support prenatal testing for autism and essentially a future means to another time of eugenics.

We don't need a cure, we need people's awareness and acceptance and help when things are not so easy.


I haven't seen anything resembling Cure Autism Now on Future Horizons yet, but yes you bring a good point. Future Horizons mainly sells books to teachers, professionals, and parents about autism; along with CD's and DVD's. I think they also sponsor conferences to teach others about autism, or at least they advertise them. Anyways, I don't want autism cured either; just an awareness of it so that people could understand us better rather than making false assumptions about us. We don't have to go through any company for the matter to sell any products; it's just a suggestion so far, and nothing has really been decided and put in stone about it yet. Hopefully, no one will ever come up with a cure for autism.


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14 Jul 2006, 2:20 am

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But MrMark ignores every hint of controversy on any point, sex-negative, sex-positive or entirely otherwise.

Not true. For example, look no further than page 2, where MrMark responds to an allegation that he asks for naked photos.

But even the example you provide of any sort of rebuttal by MrMark whatsoever, is plainly one necessary to escape controversy, not to participate. Indeed, go back and reread MrMark's appeal to the Zen against opinionated expression.


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14 Jul 2006, 2:28 am

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Sex is a fact of reality that most people actually approve of! But sensual images can only encourage stereotypes if people think that women can be viewed as either thinking beings or sexual beings, not both - and that is exactly the kind of thinking that needs ending. It will be obvious to anyone who actually looks at the calendar that it portrays women as integrated people, who are justifiably proud of their minds, accomplishments and bodies - as they should be."


On the website, they also show some of the pictures. They have the names of the women, but not their occupation. I think their aims would be better served if they added some occupation details or at least a job title to each picture. This would make a better connection between goddess and intelligent I.T. woman (and that is the connection they are seeking to make).


it seems clear that the compiler of the calendar would obviously attempt to justify her position. i don't think anyone in this thread is sujesting that women are not sexual beings, or have to choose between sexuality and intellect.

she clearly doesn't consider the context of the portrayal of women in the media. the pictorial essay on this page presnts a concise and cogent analysis.

http://www.uvm.edu/~tstreete/powerpose/guysposed.html


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14 Jul 2006, 2:36 am

Whatever the message, how does anyone plan on ever engaging the audience?



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14 Jul 2006, 2:53 am

it strikes me that at any rate a calendar is not the ideal vehicle by which to engage an audience.



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14 Jul 2006, 3:33 am

Ah, well there in lies the challenge.



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14 Jul 2006, 6:22 am

For the answers to these and other questions, we need an editorial committee. CockneyRebel has formally expressed willingness to serve. Alex, Juliekitty, and Hadapurpura appear to remain undecided. I have received no other nominations for editorial committee.

Mark says:
“i'll probably be a little shy about taking on a project of this magnitude or controversial nature (though i never imagined it would be so controversial, guess i'm naive) in the future, at least with this group. i mean attacking ideas is one thing, but the personal attacks are uncalledfor, but i guess that's politics…

…it's not that it's such a grand idea or that people shuned it, i just thought it was a little idea worth discussing, it kinda snowballed, it's that it all became so personal”

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14 Jul 2006, 10:14 am

I really like the idea I am for it!! :D


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14 Jul 2006, 10:27 am

:lol:



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14 Jul 2006, 10:30 am

riley wrote:
You also posted this in 'general' and not 'mature' so you may also attract impressionable underagers who may want to take part.


blondie wrote:
I really like the idea I am for it!! :D


You're 16 right? Well that puts an interesting twist to this thread..

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14 Jul 2006, 11:11 am

emc wrote:
Australian Women in IT calendar..

http://www.itgoddess.info/


Wow - what a great calendar. Thanks for posting this. I've put in my pre-order.



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14 Jul 2006, 11:20 am

I think this is too big to actually happen. How about just a "miss wrongplanet" contest? A poll thread would suffice.


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