Aspie Entitlement Syndrome

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Cubed Demon wrote:

Imagine this: Your own thinking could be the problem, plus you are falling prey to what the librarian called "the illusion of say." And also, I would add the illusion of gripe as being beneficial. This does not mean that aspies should not try to help themselves and other aspies or that people in general should not help other people who are disabled or that society should not mandate certain kind treatment of others, but there is a subjective realm that can only be completely reconciled by oneself becoming more intelligent: then one will know what to do and find a way to do it. I am not saying all spies have personality disorders but many do and such people generally have a lot of gripes and try to blame their problems on other people. This is effect is actually keeping them from solving their own problems, which probably comes first before being at the level to really help others. Trying to help others can and should surely be a part of growing up, but people do not even know who they are. They have all kinds of lies and fantasies mixed in with their genuine suffering, but these stories and lies are perpetrating a lot of the suffering, not society.

Tyrion's trying to point something important out. Maybe you should listen to him..

Gosh, this movie is popping up all over the place. I think I will have to watch it. The protagonist ends his speech with this: "Why have a civilization anymore, if we aren't interested in being civilized."
I think this is a good point. With regard to this discussion, if we give up things that make us civilized (like caring for those less fortunate,) we give up on what makes us great.

To the OP
<------- Never received government handouts, graduated from college and paid off the debt, owns a new vehicle and has own apartment, supports her spouse, and has full time employment with 2 years seniority and is recognized for doing good work from the company president and one of the directors. ......all of such while following my own don't ask don't tell policy.

So before you go around calling us self entitled freeloaders, you should try looking at each individual on their own basis. Yes, there are some out there that do freeload, but that's just like any other group, whether it be Canadian aboriginals, refugees, immigrants, whites, blacks, and so forth. There are some on the spectrum who truly do need help, and I find nothing wrong with that. If we throw out the baby with the bath water, we are setting things up to a point where we would have starving people in the streets mugging people, doing drugs, and stealing to survive.

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We do agree. Pulling one's own weight is good not only for society, but for the individual as well.

Ann, I don't think any of us here disagree. And since I seem to recall you saying you went out and found a job yourself, I don't think any of us disagree with you either. I think what we can all agree on is that anybody capable of working should do so, and society should take care of those genuinely unable to work. Being humane is part of what makes Western societies great.

Aye, I can only speak for myself so Ill admit I got a little carried away and misread some of the intentions of posts ( that's the problem with forums sometimes) .

I guess I felt theLibrarian was talking about a circle, while he thought I was talking about a square, but we both were really talking about an octagon all along(or any other shape to stay politically correct and to avoid minority shapes feeling misunderstood).

At least we understand each other now. I think that is what is important.

I admire your writing, the way you put material together, articulate concepts, and in general I agree with what you are saying, except in my opinion the key point which you seem to be missing is that each person needs to develop the capacity for empathy within himself, and doing this will inspire others to do so: in short, it does not come from the outside but from within oneself, and this is what will transform the minds and hearts of human beings, society is not an actual person but an abstraction, a personification, so I see here a premature reconciliation, as those with gripes who are playing the aspie card for internal psychological reasons they are not even consciously aware of will not stop doing so because of saying we are all in agreement. In this case consensus does not solve the problem.

So what is work? Is it just a job or could it be actively trying to struggle against mechanical tendencies in oneself?

I do not follow.



In what areas must I become Intelligent?



littlebee, therein lies the problem. It is like you're stating that society can never be flawed or dysfunctional as a whole. Can society, its values and standards ever be flawed in anyway? Let's take a look at Nazi Germany. If a person complained about his conditions in the concentration camps and blamed the society are you saying that he is wrong? Why is the individual always at fault and society is never at fault? Why is society's benchmark never open to questioning and examining? Is society God? You and other responsibility advocates make no sense when you treat society and the benchmark that is never open to questioning whatsoever? Why? Why are my problems always my fault? What is the underlying reasoning? I have been to different professionals and they have not diagnosed me with any personality disorder.




Maybe he regurgitates the same old clichés that says nothing. Has he questioned these aspies assumptions? What is their frame of reference?

On the blog that I have, if there are any inaccuracies to what I say then what are they? http://whyifailedinamerica.wordpress.com/

If I am wrong on something or at fault for something where am I at fault? Telling me to quit blaming others for my problems says nothing. Telling me to be positive says nothing. Telling me that I am not owed anything says nothing. These phrases are regurgitated and hackneyed bumper sticker slogans that does not get to the essence of things.

I got and keep job while not having as good social, communication, and organization skills as others with same job, because I have lots of knowledge in my brain that I use for job, and others with bester social, communication, and organization skills don't have it and therefore can't be as flexible and effective as I am for harder parts of this job.

Having job is important to me, as I want to support myself and not depend on guberment or parents to live.

I really lack nt social facade for regular workplace, but I am ok with my personality at my part-time job and ok with my personality for other more important research pursuits.

I think the aspie's existential dilemma is that we can't live without our society, but we can't live with it either. To be successful, our important life decisions must be shaped by this dynamic. In other words, we have a hard time dealing with society, but we can't live without the things it provides. Since we are all unique and different, I think the negotiation of this dilemma will be different for each aspie. Along with me, there are a lot of other aspies here at WP who have successfully negotiated this dilemma and are fully self-supporting.

Again, what I condemn is free trade that allows jobs that aspies, among others need. Until we bring the jobs back, this conversation is ultimately academic anyway. Nobody can take a job that's not there.

One of the main things I condemn is all of this extreme positive thinking. Our society does not need more positive thinking. It needs more critical thinking. This is one of the main issues that I have with some members on here. Our society needs more critical thinkers. I am in agreement with you as well. We need to get rid of all of these H-B1 visas and all of this outsourcing.

I would be very happy if I could create and sell apps for a living.

Just thinking positively for emotional uplift without thinking up any interesting/practical questions/idears/solutions to problems and going forth to put a few thoughts into action, I don't see the point of that.

btbnnyr, you formulated the words for me. I do not see the point to thinking positively for only emotional uplift either. Like you, I need to be able to have solutions as well. To put it into figurative terms, I do not need some pie in the sky, hodgepodge nonsense. Finally, like you as well I need real solutions and real, in-depth and critical thinking. This is the foundation for critical thinking's definition.

http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/d ... inking/766

For me, I don't need to just know how to fit in I need to know the underlying reasoning for the tenets and standards of the USA. I need to know the philosophical framework of what I am dealing in and why.

By what I have discovered, I think America is flawed. I would love for people especially NTs without becoming emotional scrutinize my reasoning and logic especially on my blog. http://whyifailedinamerica.wordpress.com/

Whoo boy...ha ha...so you are saying that the reason certain aspie whiners who are blaming their situation on other people who are more adjusted (such as so called mean, insensitive n.t's) do not have a job because of something to do with free trade???

How about they do not have a job because they are blaming their situation on other people???

Also you are saying this discussion is merely academic because no jobs exist to be taken by these people anyway, with the implication that if there are jobs these people would step up to the plate (and be hired)..

How about this for a starter? I suggest that every aspie who does not have a job does some kind of volunteer work forty hours a week until someone offers him or her a paid job, and I do think a job eventually will be offered to many of the people who do this.

You say each person is individual and so has to solve his problem for himself. I would agree, of course. However, group trends and tendencies will affect how an individual person will behave, and a good example is not being set by these whiners for new young people who are coming to this website looking for help. Rather they are encouraged by many to blame their problems on other people. I understand I am making this kind of black and white to illustrate a point, but I am open to in depth enquiry into this subject from many different angles.. I also realize Tyrion made it kind of black and white, but in his case, if people can make the whole world into nt's and aspies and that is okay, then he can do that kind of thing, too. As I said, fight fire with fire, but do not burn down the house:-)

To the people who are going through emotional suffering from being bullied and discriminated against in various ways by other people, this is in no way intended to discount the suffering that you are experiencing or the fact that people can sometimes be very cruel and unsympathetic, especially to people who do not fit in to their own notion idea of what people should be like.