Do you believe there are Extraterrestrial beings ?

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01 Nov 2014, 9:51 pm

In some form or another, yes. Do I believe they have visited Earth? That's a bit trickier...

There's a cool documentary on Netflix called 'The Hidden Hand' if you're into aliens.



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01 Nov 2014, 10:24 pm

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So the ET's come from a planet named "Quintonia" that is 68 light years away. But notice that the speaker doesnt say what STAR Quintonia orbits around.
Could it be that specifying a star might make his claim subject to being pinned down, and possilby being disproved by astronomers in the audience?



Well dhuh, they're not gonna tell you that.
They've come here to take all of our oil 8O
https://qeplp.com/

"Quintana Energy Partners I & II, L.P. (Quintana) were formed by Quintana Capital Group, L.P. to make control-oriented equity investments across the oil and natural gas, coal and power industries."



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01 Nov 2014, 10:57 pm

And they also come here to sing passionate ballads about "Amor Prohibo", and about "Tu Solo Tu".

The late singer Selena (not Gomez, but the one played by Jay-Lo in the movie), and her musical clan, were named Quintanilla!

I knew that Tejano music was invented by "aliens" (legal and otherwise) from across the border, but I didn't know that the music form came from THAT far across the border!



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01 Nov 2014, 11:18 pm

I've been waiting for a rock band all duded up as aliens to make a splash. why has this not happened yet?



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01 Nov 2014, 11:35 pm

Both David Bowie, and George Clinton ( and "the Mothership Connection") would do that with a vengence in their Seventies concerts.



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01 Nov 2014, 11:39 pm

Well, I was curious because a 90 year old Lockheed Martin Scientist did not seem to fit the mold of hoaxers.

But the whole thing is under a lot of scrutiny/doubt including the identity and supposed death of 'Boyd Bushman'. Some early debunking includes the 'Alien' actually being a doll produced by HalloweenFX (I believe) and no death recorded in public records for a Boyd Bushman.

My own observations were that cameras are not permitted in even much less secure areas out there (I know, I almost lost mine ust taking pics of cool aircraft). So I don't see how so many open photos could be taken.

People do die out there in accidents. I was there during its worst 2 year period in history with about 15 fatalities and 50 injured from 13 aircraft accidents/crashes/collisions. But each is very high visability and investigated. Hard to see how 39 dead could be hidden. Many/most people who work out there military and civilian have families. Those dead are not publically recorded. The fatality and accident rate is much lower these days, with only a very few in the 13 years mentioned.

My initial impression is therefore its a hoax, and not a particularly well executed one. I am not sure about the main presenter, the old boy. He says his contacts have been feeding him information. Perhaps he is in on it, or perhaps not and has just been played by the guy in the cowboy hat, and his rustlers and wranglers... from Quintonia...

'Down in the West Texas town of El Paso, I fell in love with an Alien girl...' :lol:



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01 Nov 2014, 11:46 pm

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Both David Bowie, and George Clinton ( and "the Mothership Connection") would do that with a vengence in their Seventies concerts.

yeah I shoulda remembered space oddity bowie. :oops:



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02 Nov 2014, 3:45 am

No, I don't. There is no reason to think there is life beyond Earth, as we have seen no evidence of it. No spaceships (duh! interstellar travel is impossible anywhere but in sci'fi), and no signals have ever been detected. The thingy in that Mars rock that could be the result of nano bacteria, could just as well (and more likely) be unorganic. Mars is likely dead, and likely Titan too and Europa too, and those are the main sites in the solar system.

I have never understood why some people are so into this subject. I mean, it'd be cool if the Mars "worm" (it looks like a worm!) was a real bacteria (but sad that there is no life on Mars now). But we have an abundance of others creatures right here on Earth that are way more fascinating and incredible than could ever be imagined, and that's really mind-blowing! Whenever I hear the question "are we alone?" I just wanna yell "no, you moron, we never were!" It really pisses me off how people disregard our fellow earthlings. Animals are far more fascinating than anything out there could ever be and far better and more interesting than humans. I wish it was possible to decipher the signals octopi use and try to talk to one!
Of course the way things are going , we'll soon be all alone, seeing how we wipe out species after species. I think life was a fluke. We need to make sure life stays alive. Not because Earth is alone, but because they deserve to live, they have the same right to continuing their lines.

I'm getting off topic here.


No, there is nothing that points to existence of non-Earth life forms.


And don't get me started on the UFO nuts! :roll: Morons who see all kinds of BS due to their ignorance or mental sickness. I've known one of those morons, he said he saw two. I saw them too. The first was called helicopter, the second was moon beams breaking through the clouds. :roll: OMG! Of course there is no reasoning with him. People who believe in that crap need help, it's not healthy to go around with beliefs like that. It's even less healthy for their surroundings! Being made to listen to their delusions really gets aggravating. And they say aspies go on and on about nonsense!! ! Some NTs need to look in the mirror!

Getting off topic again.


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02 Nov 2014, 9:42 am

Chill out dude!



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02 Nov 2014, 3:23 pm

some folks have a mental need to restrict any thought that cannot be physically hands-on verified, IOW they absolutely cannot entertain anything that is outside their experience.



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02 Nov 2014, 4:25 pm

[quote="Skilpadde"]No, I don't. There is no reason to think there is life beyond Earth, as we have seen no evidence of it.
No, there is nothing that points to existence of non-Earth life forms."


The underlying philosophical basis of what you propose is that everything that science could discover has already been discovered. This is a very anti-science position, and as an example, it represents the kind of thinking used to justify the Catholic church's position when they persecuted and killed scientists who said Earth was not the centre of this universe.

In fact, a recent survey suggested that most physicists at this stage do believe there is life elsewhere in the multiverse, and that we will see the evidence in the next 25-50 years, when we have technology with better capacity.



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02 Nov 2014, 4:33 pm

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In fact, a recent survey suggested that most physicists at this stage do believe there is life elsewhere in the multiverse, and that we will see the evidence in the next 25-50 years, when we have technology with better capacity.

I hope when ET finally comes out to greet us, he doesn't give us a cookbook.



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03 Nov 2014, 12:30 am

@Skilpadde,

I can't blame people being interested in the subject. The first time life is verified, not from this earth, will be a big day for science and people in general. I do agree with the idea that we have to try and save what we have here on earth but among other things, discovering extraterrestrial life would mean life's eggs aren't all in one basket so to speak.



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03 Nov 2014, 1:47 am

B19 wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
No, I don't. There is no reason to think there is life beyond Earth, as we have seen no evidence of it.
No, there is nothing that points to existence of non-Earth life forms."


The underlying philosophical basis of what you propose is that everything that science could discover has already been discovered. This is a very anti-science position, and as an example, it represents the kind of thinking used to justify the Catholic church's position when they persecuted and killed scientists who said Earth was not the centre of this universe.

In fact, a recent survey suggested that most physicists at this stage do believe there is life elsewhere in the multiverse, and that we will see the evidence in the next 25-50 years, when we have technology with better capacity.


not really.. his position is like that of an atheist as i see it.. a withholding of judgment until proper evidence arises, and that's when it's time to start 'believing'.
I don't see how life somewhere in the 'multiverse' could ever be proven since nothing outside our universe is detectable or observable.
And if we're talking life in our universe, I'd like to know how they think that will be discovered too.



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03 Nov 2014, 3:24 am

Science has moved much further than you think. The "multiverse" may seem a strange term to you; it is commonly talked about in current physics.

Do you have any idea how black holes were identified? If you don't understand that, it's unlikely that you are up with everything that has happened since in quantum physics.

The technology exists, but not the capacity - yet.



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03 Nov 2014, 3:38 am

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The problem is SETI have searched the same area of space and not found that same signal again?

also another idea floated is because they might have been sending out a singular "is anybody out there?!" signal which was as much a shot in the dark [not to be repeated anytime soon due to its expense in energy] as we would have tried [Arecibo transmission 1974] given our level of technology. only their signal was incomparably more powerful than we would be capable of anytime soon. like two ships passing in the dark.


A possible explanation, or it's just an anomalous signal...