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08 Dec 2014, 12:24 am
I bet anyone a million dollars that I can get a psychologist of my choosing to tell me whatever I want to be.
In that respect, it is not much different than a lawyer, who keeps you out of prison after you commit a crime. 
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08 Dec 2014, 9:28 am
btbnnyr wrote:
TTRSage wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
You are authority on you, but autism specialists are authorities on autism.
Not necessarily... they only know about it by second hand information at best.
Autism is defined from the outside by behavior, not by introspection from first-person perspective.
In future, as the definitions improve, it will likely be defined by clinician-observed behavior, objectively measured behavior, and possibly patterns of brain activity.
But it is unlikely to become primarily defined by introspection.
What you just said can be easily defined as a form of manipulation. There are other words I can attatch to this psychology behavior that come right out of personality disorder traits. It could borderline a possible disorder. For one creating dependancy issues. I will stop there.
I'm going to call it PDS. Psychology Disorder Syndrome.
I do believe that these things should be primarily defined by introspection. At least in my case as an adult. It will keep the cats from playing with mice do to speak. This way it would require information, and support. It would be better than having no support, nothing to go by, and the need for the patient to provide an unreasonable amount of cash, because insurance does not provide, and psychologists have nothing to go by. Starting from scratch.
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08 Dec 2014, 2:42 pm
yournamehere wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
TTRSage wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
You are authority on you, but autism specialists are authorities on autism.
Not necessarily... they only know about it by second hand information at best.
Autism is defined from the outside by behavior, not by introspection from first-person perspective.
In future, as the definitions improve, it will likely be defined by clinician-observed behavior, objectively measured behavior, and possibly patterns of brain activity.
But it is unlikely to become primarily defined by introspection.
What you just said can be easily defined as a form of manipulation. There are other words I can attatch to this psychology behavior that come right out of personality disorder traits. It could borderline a possible disorder. For one creating dependancy issues. I will stop there.
I'm going to call it PDS. Psychology Disorder Syndrome.
I do believe that these things should be primarily defined by introspection. At least in my case as an adult. It will keep the cats from playing with mice do to speak. This way it would require information, and support. It would be better than having no support, nothing to go by, and the need for the patient to provide an unreasonable amount of cash, because insurance does not provide, and psychologists have nothing to go by. Starting from scratch.
It's strange that you view what I said about how autism is defined and diagnosed as some kind of manipulation or psychological disorder. I don't understand how what I said could be viewed as manipulation or personality disorder traits or whatever psychology disorder syndrome means to you.
It sucks how various people on wp use social cognition in bizarre ways to quickly attribute negative traits to others.
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08 Dec 2014, 3:23 pm
yournamehere wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
TTRSage wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
You are authority on you, but autism specialists are authorities on autism.
Not necessarily... they only know about it by second hand information at best.
Autism is defined from the outside by behavior, not by introspection from first-person perspective.
In future, as the definitions improve, it will likely be defined by clinician-observed behavior, objectively measured behavior, and possibly patterns of brain activity.
But it is unlikely to become primarily defined by introspection.
What you just said can be easily defined as a form of manipulation. There are other words I can attatch to this psychology behavior that come right out of personality disorder traits. It could borderline a possible disorder. For one creating dependancy issues. I will stop there.
I'm going to call it PDS. Psychology Disorder Syndrome.
I do believe that these things should be primarily defined by introspection. At least in my case as an adult. It will keep the cats from playing with mice do to speak. This way it would require information, and support. It would be better than having no support, nothing to go by, and the need for the patient to provide an unreasonable amount of cash, because insurance does not provide, and psychologists have nothing to go by. Starting from scratch.
I don't understand your logic about manipulation at all.
it seems to me that there are three statements in btbnnyr's comment:
1. Autism is defined from the perspective of an outside observer.
2. It is not likely that autism will be defined by the introspective first-person perception of an autistic person.
3. In future the observation of diagnosticians may be supplemented by objective behavior measurements or brain scans.
None of these seems manipulative.
Also, your comment about knowing autism by second hand information at best is incorrect. Clinicians and researchers involved in defining and diagnosing autism know it by direct observation. This is not second hand information.
What you are saying could only make sense if you were saying "how it feels to be autistic is more important than what autistic behavior looks like" and that may be true for you--but it's answering a different question than "what is autism and how can it be identified in a person."
It's great if introspection helps you, but how would it create diagnostic criteria? And how do the criteria listed by btbnnyr constitute any kind of manipulation?
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