Autism Is Not An Excuse To Do Nothing

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07 Mar 2015, 2:11 am

Fnord wrote:

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... the post is not about all aspies, only those select ones that don't try to do anything.

"Disableists".

Not the ones who can't do anything, of course; but those who don't even try to do anything, and then blame their ASD for making it impossible to succeed, so why try anyway?

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Yep.

I read, and agree with, your longer post a bit earlier in this thread.

Some people just seem to be the give up type. Not me - thank God.

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07 Mar 2015, 2:13 am

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07 Mar 2015, 2:22 am

btbnnyr wrote:

Raleigh wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

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On a largely unrelated note, here is something to not be able to stop watching:

What kind of animal is this?
Don't you think it should be out there doing something productive instead of sitting around eating and twiddling it's ears? It's obviously going to get nowhere in life with that attitude.

The role of this animal is to look adorable to hooomans while eating apples and twiddling its ears.
My role is to not be able to stop watching this animal do its role.

My role is to applaud your role of watching this animal as it fulfils its role.

My student told me it is eating an apple, but it looks more like a piece of bread to me.
Do you think it is eating an apple or a piece of bread?

I thought it was a piece of bread. But now I look closer it could be an apple. There seems to be a reddish tinge at the top which could be peel and what appears to be a stalk on the left. It's difficult to tell for sure because I keep getting distracted by the extreme cuteness of its twiddling ears.

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07 Mar 2015, 2:32 am

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I know!

That's why I read books and drink booze!

Nah, you do plenty with helping your mother out and keeping your place maintained by clearing brush and so forth.

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07 Mar 2015, 4:05 am

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Those positions are stated by people that I call 'Disablists' - people who seem to believe that a diagnosis of an ASD (official or self-made) automatically absolves them from being accountable for their own actions and responsible for their own lives. In other words, they seem to lean heavily on their ASD diagnoses as justification for their claims that the world must cater to them in any way, and that anyone with an ASD diagnosis who has somehow made their own way in the world is actively shaming those who haven't...
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I'm referring to people who hold up their ASD diagnoses and shout "I Can't" every time they are confronted with an opportunity, just as if they were potential victims holding out crucifixes to vampires and shouting "I Abjure Thee!"[/b] - people who, for example, seem to simply not want to make the effort to hold down jobs and earn incomes on their own, and who use their ASD as an excuse to never even try. ...

Well at least we finally have a more specific definition of the bad guys, so that's good.
It's still a pretty broad criteria though. And still hard to make it workable.

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Also, apparently some hobbies are "doing it wrong" while other hobbies are "worthwhile." This seems arbitrary (like using needlepoint as an example of doing it wrong) and meaningless.

I agree.

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...The author is referring to the ones that don't do anything, don't try, or spend all of their time on one hobby/past time that doesn't make for a very enriched & full life.

Again, arbitrary and useless.

But now we have a name for the bad guys - disableists. It's not clear who constitutes their numbers... the guy in his parents' basement playing Zelda? The sour looking crafter?

One should not judge the value of another person's lifestyle.
So what if it doesn't conform to the norm. Why should it?

Maybe the Zelda playing basement dweller starts designing games. Who knows?
To slam a vague group of people for not living up to your standards comes off as self-aggrandizement. A smoke and mirrors trick that allows you to stroke your ego.

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07 Mar 2015, 5:14 am

btbnnyr wrote:

Raleigh wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

Raleigh wrote:

btbnnyr wrote:

On a largely unrelated note, here is something to not be able to stop watching:

The role of this animal is to look adorable to hooomans while eating apples and twiddling its ears.
My role is to not be able to stop watching this animal do its role.

My role is to applaud your role of watching this animal as it fulfils its role.

My student told me it is eating an apple, but it looks more like a piece of bread to me.
Do you think it is eating an apple or a piece of bread?

I thought it was something like popcorn or something fried--but now that you mention this I am thinking it's the core of one of those more fibrous apples. The bread-like color could be because the apple is oxidising and the the texture could be the interaction of fibrous apple and many small bites.

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07 Mar 2015, 1:36 pm

Good article.

The people frothing at the mouth without having clearly read it are an indication that she's struck on something people want to keep buried.

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07 Mar 2015, 2:10 pm

Thoughts:

- Yes, ideally people should aim high and not write themselves off (or be wrote off by others) due to a disability
- Plenty of people without Autism procrastinate in life or use excuses not do things
- It would be good, even though she is "self-diagnosed", if she could list the achievements she has made to show what she is advocating is possible

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07 Mar 2015, 4:08 pm

'She'?

If you meant me, please use the identifier "B19"; if you meant the writer of the SIGZ blog, please say so.

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07 Mar 2015, 9:09 pm

downbutnotout wrote:

Good article.

The people frothing at the mouth without having clearly read it are an indication that she's struck on something people want to keep buried.

That sort of assumption is WHY people get angry at this. I wouldnt assume they havent read it, either.

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07 Mar 2015, 9:16 pm

Here to add my two cents.

I hate these self-diagnosing Autistics who just want an excuse to whine and complain.

Get over it.

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07 Mar 2015, 9:21 pm

Electricbassguy wrote:

Here to add my two cents.

I hate these self-diagnosing Autistics who just want an excuse to whine and complain.

Get over it.

Do you hate the formally-diagnosed autistics who just want an excuse to whine and complain too? Or just the self-diagnosed.

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07 Mar 2015, 10:41 pm

downbutnotout wrote:

Good article.

The people frothing at the mouth without having clearly read it are an indication that she's struck on something people want to keep buried.

That you describe people as "frothing at the mouth" for disagreeing with the article, and claim that they haven't "clearly read it" are an indication that you're looking for excuses to condemn others.

Or maybe not, but that's basically what you're doing.

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08 Mar 2015, 12:24 am

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Certainly the few jobs I've done have been a waste of time and a time of waste.

Yep, I've experienced quite a lot of time-wasting going on in jobs. Not to mention wasting of materials as well. Plus getting any "praise" for a job like that, is such empty, hypocritical praise that it makes me feel like I sold my soul for a few dollars.

Yeah, and when I do a good job it's to do a good/proper job -- to respect the field. I couldn't care less about a pat on the head from whatever appointed authority figure is in charge.

And, there's no job I've had where I couldn't think of something else I'd rather be doing (which includes things like writing my own drone software), but if I'm not getting paid then it's 'nothing.'

It bothers me to think that some people think that any job, say sorting tiny screws 8 hours a day (at less than minimum wage because you're disabled), is better than someone reading or painting all day. Especially if the person's stamina only lets them do one or the other. Is the life wasted sorting screws really better?

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08 Mar 2015, 4:01 am

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I also agree with both the OP and the authour. How do we know what we can and can't do, unless we test our limits?

But she seems to assume anyone who is doing what she would define as 'nothing' didn't already try that...to determine whatever limits they feel they have.

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08 Mar 2015, 4:04 am

goldfish21 wrote:

goofygoobers wrote:

I feel as if this is a huge generalization. Not every aspie "does nothing" like you think. I know because I'm trying to get an education. I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing nothing, so I'm trying to get a college degree in something I'm interested in and get a good paying job.

Does that sound like I'm "doing nothing?"

Nowhere in the blog post does it say "every aspie does nothing." The author is referring to the ones that don't do anything, don't try, or spend all of their time on one hobby/past time that doesn't make for a very enriched & full life.

Of course it doesn't sound like you're doing nothing.. because you're doing something. I think you're defending yourself against statements that were never made in the blog post. As I pointed out, the post is not about all aspies, only those select ones that don't try to do anything.

You mean the ones who don't do anything she feels would give them an enriched full life...I again would like to see where all these aspies are that truly don't try to do anything at all, otherwise I still have difficulties seeing it as a 'trend', since usually trends involve a lot of people in a given group.

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