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17 Oct 2015, 12:58 pm

10 ways you benefit from contracting AIDS

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gets worse every time


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17 Oct 2015, 1:04 pm

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I wonder if anyone has contacted the author about the uproar her article caused so she can set things straight like tell us what her intentions were and apologize for the misunderstanding and perhaps update her article or re write it. I know she has a Facebook page so perhaps we can tell her there to let her know the uproar she has caused. I still think this is all a big misunderstanding and her article is being hugely misinterpreted.


EDIT: I just sent her a message about this and she looked different in her Facebook photo than on her article and I don't know if she will see the post because it went to other peoples folder because I am not on her friends. But if she isn't that same person who wrote it, I told her to ignore my message then if she isn't her. I am still giving her the benefit of the doubt.

She reacts here
https://storify.com/MAMelby/perks-from-bullying



So I was right about her article but at least I know she is aware of the comments and has made it clear she doesn't promote bullying. I think the way of stopping it is to punish everyone every time they bully. I know people will always bully just like how we make laws but there are always people out there still doing it which is what I think she might be saying. We can enforce the anti bullying policy but it will still happen so we must find a way to deal with it. Break ins will always happen but we have still found a way to deal with it by having the anti break in system, knowing your neighbors well by living in a HOA neighborhood, keeping your doors locked, keeping cars on your drive way or lights on in your house when you are gone to make it look like someone is home and also never posting on social media about where you will be or posting on it when you are on a trip so I can see what she is saying about bullies.


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17 Oct 2015, 1:08 pm

goofygoobers wrote:
Since I've read this article, I decided to write a comment:

I read the article and your comment, and I replied this:

"I totally agree with you! This article is crap. Does the author have any idea what it is like to be bullied, or is she completely out of her mind? Does she realize what terrible effects bullying can have on one’s soul? That there are people who were bullied so severely that they can never recover to hope for a normal life?"



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17 Oct 2015, 1:09 pm

goofygoobers wrote:
Since I've read this article, I decided to write a comment:

"I feel as if this is a VERY misguided and uneducated attempt at giving advice on how to deal with bullying of people with ASDs. It seems as if this article fails to neglect that bullying can be a lot more severe that just picking on children. It can not only be emotionally abusive, but also physically and sexually abusive. If ANY child (not just autistic) was severely beaten or sexually abused by bullies, would you give the same advice? If you did, not only would the bullying not stop, but it could possibly make the bullies feel like they can get away with it and do worse.

As a person on the autism spectrum and a victim of bullying, I see these ideas as not very helpful. If I informed my peers about having Asperger’s Syndrome, I would have been bullied a lot worse than I was. It would give bullies more reasons to treat children like dirt.

You also have to put into account that not all autistic people know they’re being bullied. Since they may not understand the difference between being a good friend or a bully, they may mistake being mistreated as friendship. Would these suggestions even work if that was the case?

You also have to stop bullying too, not just let it happen. If you stopped bullying, then you wouldn’t even need extra programs for this reason. There’s also the issue of what kind of program should be used and how the staff at a school apply it. If it isn’t properly applied, then children will only vaguely know about autism and go back to their lives.

I don’t understand what the intention was of this author, but it seems like she doesn’t understand what it’s like to be a bullied child on the autism spectrum. Even though there was a lot of talk in elementary school about being kind, respectful of others, and not bullying other children, I still was being bullied. Just because an adult tells a child not to do something doesn’t mean they’ll obey."



I don't think she realizes how bad bullying can be so as I say bullying is a subjective word so who knows what she means by bullying. She could have meant name calling or just teasing and that is the mind set most people have about bullying. But like I said before if you were beaten up or had your head dunked in the toilet or your work sabotaged or your stuff taken or had food dumped on you, you will not take this article lightly. I didn't know how bad bullying got until the media started showing it because no one did these things in my school. In high school, someone would occasionally take something from me and hide it but it didn't happen all the time so I can't call it bullying. I am actually shocked that anyone would think any of this behavior is acceptable and see it as kids being kids.


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17 Oct 2015, 1:17 pm

'Burn the witch!'

Would you all be happy then?!


If it really bothers you, just make it fair game - follow her online and spam everything she is associated with.

If she perceives it as a targeted attack - wait - bullying - well, by her standards, it'll be good for her!



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17 Oct 2015, 1:21 pm

Hey now, bullying is only good for autistics. She never claimed it'd benefit NTs (I assume she is unless otherwise stated) so no, don't bully her.



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17 Oct 2015, 1:22 pm

10 Perks of the Jim Crow Laws and How They Were Good for Blacks: Afterward...a lot of the blacks got jobs! Also, they taught blacks how to dodge a public punch or worse (and how else were they ever going to learn that?). In addition, they gave blacks much-needed exercise walking for miles to find an accepted drinking fountain, hence warding off potential obesity.

10 Perks of Becoming Paralyzed: Hey...you don't have to go to work anymore! Plus, now that part of you is paralyzed you can never re-paralyze that part. One less thing to worry about!

10 Perks of Terrorism and How it Teaches Little Kids to Duck Under Desks During a Drill (How ELSE were they going to learn how to do that?)

10 Perks of Domestic Abuse and What They Can Teach Victims About Behaving Better so the Husband Doesn't Hit Them...Ultimately doesn't that just make things better for everybody? Wife finally learns much-needed household skills and how to do them properly, husband doesn't need to hit anymore. It's a win-win.

10 Perks to Fatal Childhood Cancers...Hey...they'll never get old! We all get to remember them as cute youngsters.

The AMAZING Educational Benefits of Drowning...Without drowning, how would anybody guess that being immersed in water without access to oxygen could be harmful? BONUS perk for adult drown victims: Your family, the insurance company and your lawyer will all need to work together to deal with your inheritance, hence creating a teamwork environment that otherwise would not have existed - and THAT would have been the real tragedy, amiright? Also, drowning and leaving children behind means the children must find ways to deal with tragedy and loss, which can only benefit them moving forward and dealing with other losses in life.

There are really limitless possibilities. :P I don't know why the author stopped at just bullying perks.



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17 Oct 2015, 1:22 pm

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Hey now, bullying is only good for autistics. She never claimed it'd benefit NTs (I assume she is unless otherwise stated) so no, don't bully her.



But she can still follow her own advice.


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17 Oct 2015, 1:28 pm

Controversy is good for boosting a magazine's/website's ratings.

Most will forget the article, but will look through the site content, and may become followers.

She'll have moved on to something new immediately after the article was written.


Alex - show everyone here this to be true - strip off and reveal your man bits whilst running down Sunset Blvd.

The site will be more popular than ever :)



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17 Oct 2015, 1:30 pm

League_Girl wrote:
goofygoobers wrote:
Since I've read this article, I decided to write a comment:

"I feel as if this is a VERY misguided and uneducated attempt at giving advice on how to deal with bullying of people with ASDs. It seems as if this article fails to neglect that bullying can be a lot more severe that just picking on children. It can not only be emotionally abusive, but also physically and sexually abusive. If ANY child (not just autistic) was severely beaten or sexually abused by bullies, would you give the same advice? If you did, not only would the bullying not stop, but it could possibly make the bullies feel like they can get away with it and do worse.

As a person on the autism spectrum and a victim of bullying, I see these ideas as not very helpful. If I informed my peers about having Asperger’s Syndrome, I would have been bullied a lot worse than I was. It would give bullies more reasons to treat children like dirt.

You also have to put into account that not all autistic people know they’re being bullied. Since they may not understand the difference between being a good friend or a bully, they may mistake being mistreated as friendship. Would these suggestions even work if that was the case?

You also have to stop bullying too, not just let it happen. If you stopped bullying, then you wouldn’t even need extra programs for this reason. There’s also the issue of what kind of program should be used and how the staff at a school apply it. If it isn’t properly applied, then children will only vaguely know about autism and go back to their lives.

I don’t understand what the intention was of this author, but it seems like she doesn’t understand what it’s like to be a bullied child on the autism spectrum. Even though there was a lot of talk in elementary school about being kind, respectful of others, and not bullying other children, I still was being bullied. Just because an adult tells a child not to do something doesn’t mean they’ll obey."



I don't think she realizes how bad bullying can be so as I say bullying is a subjective word so who knows what she means by bullying. She could have meant name calling or just teasing and that is the mind set most people have about bullying. But like I said before if you were beaten up or had your head dunked in the toilet or your work sabotaged or your stuff taken or had food dumped on you, you will not take this article lightly. I didn't know how bad bullying got until the media started showing it because no one did these things in my school. In high school, someone would occasionally take something from me and hide it but it didn't happen all the time so I can't call it bullying. I am actually shocked that anyone would think any of this behavior is acceptable and see it as kids being kids.


In the beginning of the article, it mentions "bad" bullying, which envokes thoughts of more than just teasing. I think this article, like I said previously, is misguided. I don't think it's intentionally trying to say bullying is okay, but it seems to come from someone uneducated about this subject.



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17 Oct 2015, 1:31 pm

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'10 ways women benefit from being raped'

Imagine!!


There are really so many.

1. Rape teaches people about rape. If there were no rape, how on earth would anyone learn more about rape?
2. Rape allows the victim to make new friends. She will probably join a group or go online to talk about other rape victims. This opportunity to make lots of new friends would never have happened if she hadn't been raped.
3. Rape brings people together to agree that it's not okay to rape women...Because we were never going to figure that out on our own (and no, the fact that we have anti-rape laws doesn't mean anybody has actually gotten together already to agree on this or anything...because...because, uh...well, never mind, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain).
4. If it weren't for rape, how would the woman ever know how good it feels not to be raped? She'd have no basis for comparison.
5. Rape allows the victim to better understand and be able to relate to rapists, hence making her more popular and ultimately, have new friends.
6. Rape allows a woman (or man if it's a male rape victim) to learn lots more about his/her body, about injury and how to repair it, and about STDs than s/he otherwise would know, and that's all very important information.
7. Without rape, how would the victim have ever done her homework to track down pepper spray that will hook into her purse for easy and quick access?
8. Many rape victims take up self-defense classes, so now they're in GREAT shape. They'd never have made the decision to work out otherwise. Perk!

I'm just not seeing a downside. Are you?



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17 Oct 2015, 1:33 pm

Bullying doesn't teach anybody anything. The intention is not to teach...it is to BULLY!

The only thing it teaches is that you have to defend yourself in life from idiots--otherwise, the idiots will win.

There are other ways for people to "learn life's lessons" other than being bullied. We must stamp out bullying!

Being bullied is not a learning experience--it is, at the very least, a demeaning experience.

I've never felt suicidal because of bullying--but I certainly felt worthless.

I feel bullies should pay for what they've done in some way. Here's hoping there's such thing as Karma!



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17 Oct 2015, 1:34 pm

I wish karma was real. :(


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17 Oct 2015, 1:35 pm

NowhereWoman wrote:
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'10 ways women benefit from being raped'

Imagine!!


There are really so many.

1. Rape teaches people about rape. If there were no rape, how on earth would anyone learn more about rape?
2. Rape allows the victim to make new friends. She will probably join a group or go online to talk about other rape victims. This opportunity to make lots of new friends would never have happened if she hadn't been raped.
3. Rape brings people together to agree that it's not okay to rape women...Because we were never going to figure that out on our own (and no, the fact that we have anti-rape laws doesn't mean anybody has actually gotten together already to agree on this or anything...because...because, uh...well, never mind, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain).
4. If it weren't for rape, how would the woman ever know how good it feels not to be raped? She'd have no basis for comparison.
5. Rape allows the victim to better understand and be able to relate to rapists, hence making her more popular and ultimately, have new friends.
6. Rape allows a woman (or man if it's a male rape victim) to learn lots more about his/her body, about injury and how to repair it, and about STDs than s/he otherwise would know, and that's all very important information.
7. Without rape, how would the victim have ever done her homework to track down pepper spray that will hook into her purse for easy and quick access?
8. Many rape victims take up self-defense classes, so now they're in GREAT shape. They'd never have made the decision to work out otherwise. Perk!

I'm just not seeing a downside. Are you?


Brilliant :)

I think I'll go now and create personal growth opportunities for some women :)


(I am leaving now, but not for that reason!)



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17 Oct 2015, 1:36 pm

In no logical way is bullying somehow positive in nature.Honestly to believe that is to have the notion that's okay to put your hand into a 1,000 degree oven. Seriously would anyone really do that? Nope! therefore, someone needs to re educate this person on the destructive effects of bullying and bullies themselves.


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17 Oct 2015, 1:40 pm

I'll add to the list:

9. A once in a lifetime opportunity. Not everyone has the chance to get raped, so you should be thankful they picked you so you could experience what many people don't.
10. The forced entry would break the hymen ("pop the cherry") if the victim was virgin, and therefore ensure any consensual sex later on would be easier.