Defeatism, or "Learned Helplessness".

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12 Dec 2019, 10:47 am

You can be "able" in many things--even while you are "disabled."

Being "disabled" is not a death sentence.



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12 Dec 2019, 10:55 am

Executive functioning is the process of making decisions and prioritizing.


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12 Dec 2019, 10:59 am

Yep.

I suck in both sometimes.

It has led to some pretty bad outcomes in my life.



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12 Dec 2019, 11:06 am

skibum wrote:
Executive functioning is the process of making decisions and prioritizing.

Wikipedia claims it's selecting and successfully monitoring behaviors that facilitate the attainment of chosen goals.
It may involve decision making but it's not the same - decisions may be quite abstract, EF is about behaviors successfully leading to some goal.


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12 Dec 2019, 11:08 am

EF probably involves more the "concrete" realm than the "abstract" realm

Though, good EF could be essential in being a proper theory-creator, too. You have to have all you senses in order to formulate logical theories.



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12 Dec 2019, 11:20 am

skibum wrote:
Executive functioning is the process of making decisions and prioritizing.
Executive function is impaired in addiction, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, autism, and a number of other central nervous system disorders -- it is not specifically related to only autism spectrum disorders.



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12 Dec 2019, 11:21 am

That's true. It's not only autism.



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12 Dec 2019, 11:31 am

Executive dysfunction is a symptom (e.g., not a diagnosis) that may signal a host of mental health or neurological conditions.  Some common causes of executive dysfunction include:

• Attention deficit hyperactivity (ADHD) and other developmental disabilities
• Dementia (i.e., Alzheimer’s, fronto-temporal dementia, vascular dementia, et cetera)
• Depression
• Drug addiction
• Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
• Schizophrenia
• Traumatic brain injuries, tumors, and other forms of brain damage. Imaging scans suggest damage to the basal ganglia and/or frontal cortex often affects executive functioning

Executive dysfunctioning can also be context dependent -- distraction, exhaustion, boredom, and stress can all undermine executive functioning.  Thus, executive dysfunction does not necessarily arise from neurological damage or alterations to the brain's 'wiring'.



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12 Dec 2019, 11:32 am

No doubt.....



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12 Dec 2019, 11:59 am

Isn't selecting behaviors and monitoring to achieve goals just another way of saying decision making and prioritizing?


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12 Dec 2019, 12:01 pm

skibum wrote:
Isn't selecting behaviors and monitoring to achieve goals just another way of saying decision making and prioritizing?

Decision making and prioriterizing in EF does not need to be concious. In healthy EF most of it isn't.


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12 Dec 2019, 12:07 pm

Therein lies one of the differences between AS and "normal" people.

There are some things that "normal" people can do without conscious effort and having to "learn it"----that people with AS must make a conscious effort with, and "learn."

Especially in the realm of socialization.



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12 Dec 2019, 12:42 pm

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My guess is that the kind of Autistics that do not have EF issues are the kind of Autistics who are able to successfully keep jobs.


I can keep a job, just not a good one.


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12 Dec 2019, 12:43 pm

I had no idea that people could do those things unconsciously. That is pretty wild. I just realized something. Maybe the fact that we do it consciously is a factor in the EF fatigue and EF overloads that I often struggle so much with.


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12 Dec 2019, 12:49 pm

skibum wrote:
I had no idea that people could do those things unconsciously. That is pretty wild. I just realized something. Maybe the fact that we do it consciously is a factor in the EF fatigue and EF overloads that I often struggle so much with.

Yep.
The fatigue comes from concious mental effort required to do "normal" things.
I had the same discovery about social life.


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12 Dec 2019, 12:53 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
skibum wrote:
My guess is that the kind of Autistics that do not have EF issues are the kind of Autistics who are able to successfully keep jobs.
I can keep a job, just not a good one.
There are better jobs I could have, but I thank G-D I at least have a job!

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@All: So is Executive Function synonymous with Intuition? That could explain a lot.[/color]